1)5.25"
2)6.875" (but I drive a neon with a 2.4L so its different :-P)

 

geoff didn't respond with a smart *** comment, i think you just read it wrong..

but i think its funny you responded like that.. he just wanted your input nothing more.. bi-polar people are funy just a joke dont' go crazy on me too

 

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I said no disrespect, but if you want to be a little smart *** about it then it's cool by me..

1.Intake-Short Runners=HP. Long Runners=Torque
Exhaust-Short Runners=Torque. Long Runners=HP
2.Longer than that
3.Cause 600 hp is useless on the street, especially when there's only 215 ft lbs of torque

I really get sick and tired of seeing all this full-race jocking on this site(Powercenter7)....Sorry I'm not on the bandwagon.....And it's pretty gay that when I give the guy feedback, I get a whole bunch of the thumbsdown. He obviously wanted something, he posted it on honda-tech.

PS:If you want my feedback on your enterprise, you guys who sell OVERPRICED OVERHYPED METAL. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY CONNED IN TO PURCHASING THIS STUFF. AND HALF OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AND WORSHIPERS ARE MEMBERS OF THE KEYBOARD TUNER/MECHANICS CLUB

I REALLY LOVE MY 3 SECOND TURBO LAG.....ITS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GREAT I WANT ME A T 78 125 trim </TD></TR></TABLE>


How is he bein a smartass? u came on and said u dont like it, the runners are to short and u might lose some top end. Whether feed back is good or bad hes still takin comments about this product that can help make it even better. So instead of Geoff sayin something sarcastic or smart, hes askin u to back up why u think it wont work and what u think will be better. Show some proof of why ur way would work over full races to back up ur claim of sayin hes mani will lost low end

 

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How is he bein a smartass? u came on and said u dont like it, the runners are to short and u might lose some top end. Whether feed back is good or bad hes still takin comments about this product that can help make it even better. So instead of Geoff sayin something sarcastic or smart, hes askin u to back up why u think it wont work and what u think will be better. Show some proof of why ur way would work over full races to back up ur claim of sayin hes mani will lost low end</TD></TR></TABLE>

dude... don't take sides.. let them handle their ****

 

What's up with all of the full-race bashing around here. It is hardly full-hype. Thier stuff works, TRACK numbers speak for themselves. 2 of the 4 fastest streetcars run full-race kits and many of the fastest pro 4 cylinder/hot rod cars are using their products. Just because you can't afford/won't pay their price for their products is not a reason to go around bashing them. I'm just sick of every full-race thread lately with a bunch of negative comments towards their stuff...not necessary. Happy holidays yalls

 

All I know is I want one BAD!!

 

prices are hi, but you get what you pay for. nothing is cheap when it comes to making a import fast.

 

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Not takin sides just bein objective since this is a forum, i would like to hear the pros and cons of this product and gettin different opinions help from both sides. thats why i didnt go off on him but just said explain urself so we know ur side of why it may not work nothin wrong with that bro

 

All I did was state common knowledge. For a street/strip car, a t4 turbo, equal length manifold, short runnered intake mani and 600 horses are useless. Maybe full race is great for all out race cars, but most ppl on here don't drive racecars..Ya the ones w/ roll cages and parachutes..

And to answer your question, probobly something like 6-6.5..they should around 8 if my first guess was right. Like I said, I'm no mechanical engineer or internet super tuner...but short runners means high hp, low torque.

A perfect example is the IM on an SR20DET. My friends makes more torque than he does. Only 8 or 9 more on the dyno..but still. That intake manifold has runners that are super super long, and curve sharply. I don't think it's a coincedence that his power drops off at high rpm either. Doesn't pull like a honda motor straight to redline.

 

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you are actually close on what a good runner length is.

just so you dont go on thinking our runners are short, they are much longer than you think.


Modified by Full-Race Geoff at 8:47 PM 12/18/2004

 

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thanks brian That means alot coming from the nopi champ happy holidays to you too

 

So when's the release date im itching to actually see it and hopefully get one. Full-race

 

haha.. sorry if it offends you guys, but i find it amusing.. i never thought there could be drama on a car forum .. .. everyone just chill and get back to what we all love..


FAST CARS AND FORCE INDUCTION BABY!!!

 

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FAST CARS AND FORCE INDUCTION BABY!!!

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Exactly. If you want to tell Geoff how much you love him or hate him, then call him up. Im tired of reading about it here.

So about that intake manifold...

 

testing will take place over the next cpl of weeks, here are pics of the prototypes







edit: these are the PROTOTYPES the final release versions will look much cleaner.

edit2: the throttle body flange accepts both honda and mustang throttle bodies


Modified by Full-Race Geoff at 12:47 PM 12/21/2004

 

why does the plenum shorten down ..the area for the first cylinder appears to be about 1/3 smaller in width than the fourth. couldn't this cause inequal distribution of air?

These are just questions, not trying to be a smart ***

 

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Hurry up so I can get rid of this Skunk2

 

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No, that area only needs to feed one cylinder, where all the air for four cylinders has to pass by the other end.

 

we designed the plenum using CFD (it stands for computational fluid dynamics, it is engineering software, please dont flame me for doing analysis)

the shape of the plenum encourages equal air distribution. Unfortunately, when using a design like this (air enters at one end rather than in the middle) it is very difficult to make perfectly equal air distribution. The design of the plenum simply makes it so that you can get as close as possible to an equal distribution without having an inordinate pressure drop

 

When can we order?

 

I'll have to say that it looks a lot better then what I was expecting. Great job Geoff!!!

 

h22 manifold???

 

I would like to know if you all have an expected release date? I would like to get one for my B18b but I also dont want to sell my current intake manifold and have the intake manifold being the only thing holding me back from finishing.

 

We are coming up with a few options regarding ordering. We plan on having these fully available by the end of march, the final verisons will not have as much welding on them, and will be much cleaner.

I will keep everyone posted with the progress, but for now, please be patient. sorry to keep teasing you guys, the result will be worth the wait!

 

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I will keep everyone posted with the progress, but for now, please be patient. sorry to keep teasing you guys, the result will be worth the wait!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks Geoff. I will be getting one when they are released. If everything goes as planned I will finish everything before the manifold is released. Would be nice if I could show what kind of gains can be had over my current intake manifold.