Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (loud_whispers)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by loud_whispers »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your saying the manifold will not fit the b18b?
please clarify for me, thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>
most likley. the b18b/b20b heads have way different bolt patterns. the b18c1(gsr) head and b16/itr heads have a bolt patterns that arent that far off from each other.
doesnt the gsr have a different intake port angles compared to itr/b16?
please clarify for me, thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>
most likley. the b18b/b20b heads have way different bolt patterns. the b18c1(gsr) head and b16/itr heads have a bolt patterns that arent that far off from each other.
doesnt the gsr have a different intake port angles compared to itr/b16?
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Bob-DC2)
WOW, these threads move quickly. Geoff, will this manifold be designed for efficeny with turbo setups or could you possibly design a N/A manifold? I love your products, and the fact that you back your products so well. However I am out of the turbo area of life for a while and am working on building a N/A motor for a client.
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (bruceleeroy)
Nice
Personally id like to see a larger radius on the bell mouth of the runner trumpets for a full 90 degrees of sweep. Also the trumpets appear to sit in the plenum a bit too high such that wall effects from the backwall may restrict flow?
Personally id like to see a larger radius on the bell mouth of the runner trumpets for a full 90 degrees of sweep. Also the trumpets appear to sit in the plenum a bit too high such that wall effects from the backwall may restrict flow?
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Bob-DC2)
loudwhispers -- the LS and b20 motors will be able to use this intake manifold, however a couple studs will have to be removed, the intake manifold does not need all the studs to seal, and this is the only way we can afford to offer this to the non-vtec crowd. we are slightly changing a few elements of our design before release. needless to say, the final product is going to be very different from the original model.
bob -- the gsr is 54 degrees, the itr is 53 degrees, the b16 is 52 degrees
Ab16A2T -- this manifold is designed for boosted setups, but will definately see gains on an NA app. what is interesting, is that on high power NA cars, at WOT and high RPM, the intake manifolds that most are using actually fall back into vacuum. This is because plenum volume is too small and runner length is too big. This will never fall into rpm induced vacuum.
bruceleeroy -- we pushed back the release date due to the new design. it will be worth the wait, i guarantee you have never seen a honda intake manifold like this. im sure i will get a lot of **** for posting this, but the new design is very very different.
jonnycoupe -- there is no need at all for a larger radius bell mouth. Ours is at the point of negligable returns and it is a system of infinite decay. If you made the bell mouth 80 inches across you arent going to see much in terms of a noticeable gain.
bob -- the gsr is 54 degrees, the itr is 53 degrees, the b16 is 52 degrees
Ab16A2T -- this manifold is designed for boosted setups, but will definately see gains on an NA app. what is interesting, is that on high power NA cars, at WOT and high RPM, the intake manifolds that most are using actually fall back into vacuum. This is because plenum volume is too small and runner length is too big. This will never fall into rpm induced vacuum.
bruceleeroy -- we pushed back the release date due to the new design. it will be worth the wait, i guarantee you have never seen a honda intake manifold like this. im sure i will get a lot of **** for posting this, but the new design is very very different.
jonnycoupe -- there is no need at all for a larger radius bell mouth. Ours is at the point of negligable returns and it is a system of infinite decay. If you made the bell mouth 80 inches across you arent going to see much in terms of a noticeable gain.
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Full-Race Geoff)
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jonnycoupe -- there is no need at all for a larger radius bell mouth. Ours is at the point of negligable returns and it is a system of infinite decay. If you made the bell mouth 80 inches across you arent going to see much in terms of a noticeable gain.
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You want the radius of the bell mouth to be atleast 0.1 of the diameter from what ive seen and ideally 189 degree of sweep to help smooth the air entering the stack admitadly this is with no plenum chamber.
Just out of interest what rpm point is the runner length tuned for?
jonnycoupe -- there is no need at all for a larger radius bell mouth. Ours is at the point of negligable returns and it is a system of infinite decay. If you made the bell mouth 80 inches across you arent going to see much in terms of a noticeable gain.
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You want the radius of the bell mouth to be atleast 0.1 of the diameter from what ive seen and ideally 189 degree of sweep to help smooth the air entering the stack admitadly this is with no plenum chamber.
Just out of interest what rpm point is the runner length tuned for?
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (JonnyCoupe)
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Just out of interest what rpm point is the runner length tuned for? </TD></TR></TABLE>
18000-19000 RPM F1 style...
Geoff, any idea when the final release date will be? I'm definitely interested in a D16 manifold.
Just out of interest what rpm point is the runner length tuned for?
</TD></TR></TABLE>18000-19000 RPM F1 style...
Geoff, any idea when the final release date will be? I'm definitely interested in a D16 manifold.
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (JonnyCoupe)
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You want the radius of the bell mouth to be atleast 0.1 of the diameter from what ive seen and ideally 189 degree of sweep to help smooth the air entering the stack admitadly this is with no plenum chamber.
Just out of interest what rpm point is the runner length tuned for? </TD></TR></TABLE>
im not sure where you got the info of r = 0.1 d but that is pretty close, just not exactly right.
the manifold is tuned to 52 hz and there are two resonant peaks
You want the radius of the bell mouth to be atleast 0.1 of the diameter from what ive seen and ideally 189 degree of sweep to help smooth the air entering the stack admitadly this is with no plenum chamber.
Just out of interest what rpm point is the runner length tuned for?
</TD></TR></TABLE>im not sure where you got the info of r = 0.1 d but that is pretty close, just not exactly right.
the manifold is tuned to 52 hz and there are two resonant peaks
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (d@ve.G)
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Geoff, any idea when the final release date will be?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the release date has been pushed back. the deposits we got are being handled on a case to case basis, if the customer wants to wait they can, if they dont want to wait we are producing the original design in very limited quantities. The new design is much better, and unfortunately is going to take much longer. sorry guys, no date yet.
Geoff, any idea when the final release date will be?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the release date has been pushed back. the deposits we got are being handled on a case to case basis, if the customer wants to wait they can, if they dont want to wait we are producing the original design in very limited quantities. The new design is much better, and unfortunately is going to take much longer. sorry guys, no date yet.
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Full-Race Geoff)
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So the first proto's tested like crap, huh.
So the first proto's tested like crap, huh.
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Marauder)
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So the first proto's tested like crap, huh.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not at all, the redesign is for an even bigger gain from "conventional style" aftermarket intake manifolds, ease of production and lower cost to consumer.
The intake manifold is a very serious project that we are constantly working on to make the best quality and best performing product at a reasonable cost.
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
To everyone else: We are sorry for the delay in release date and are working very hard to be able to release this new product as soon as possible. We thank you for your patience and understanding.
-Rich
So the first proto's tested like crap, huh.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not at all, the redesign is for an even bigger gain from "conventional style" aftermarket intake manifolds, ease of production and lower cost to consumer.
The intake manifold is a very serious project that we are constantly working on to make the best quality and best performing product at a reasonable cost.
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
To everyone else: We are sorry for the delay in release date and are working very hard to be able to release this new product as soon as possible. We thank you for your patience and understanding.
-Rich
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (r cleghorn)
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Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
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Your posting your unfinished product on the net, and on a forum.....how in the heck do you think you'll only get POSITIVE feedback? :majoreyeroll:
I come from experience in designing cast aluminum intake manifolds for domestic V8's and imports. So no, I'm not unknowledeable, and know it takes a lot of work at your desk and testing on an engine to make it work.
You probably have seen some of my work on http://www.edelbrock.com
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
-Rich</TD></TR></TABLE>
Your posting your unfinished product on the net, and on a forum.....how in the heck do you think you'll only get POSITIVE feedback? :majoreyeroll:
I come from experience in designing cast aluminum intake manifolds for domestic V8's and imports. So no, I'm not unknowledeable, and know it takes a lot of work at your desk and testing on an engine to make it work.
You probably have seen some of my work on http://www.edelbrock.com
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Marauder)
Quote, originally posted by r cleghorn »
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
-Rich
Your posting your unfinished product on the net, and on a forum.....how in the heck do you think you'll only get POSITIVE feedback? :majoreyeroll:
I come from experience in designing cast aluminum intake manifolds for domestic V8's and imports. So no, I'm not unknowledeable, and know it takes a lot of work at your desk and testing on an engine to make it work.
You probably have seen some of my work on http://www.edelbrock.com
Its good to see u have experience and im sure u do good work, but why come out and get on them about there first protos probably taking a crap. Whether it did or not it doesnt matter as long as the finished product that gets sold to the public gets results.
Theres nothing wrong with coming on the forum to introduce a product thats not finished yet, it gives us a chance to talk about it and get a feel for what this product may or may not do and theres many smart guys on this forum that may write info that may help vendors make better products includin urself
So no need for the roll eyes just give them a chance to finish there manis before u come down on them
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
-Rich
Your posting your unfinished product on the net, and on a forum.....how in the heck do you think you'll only get POSITIVE feedback? :majoreyeroll:
I come from experience in designing cast aluminum intake manifolds for domestic V8's and imports. So no, I'm not unknowledeable, and know it takes a lot of work at your desk and testing on an engine to make it work.
You probably have seen some of my work on http://www.edelbrock.com
Its good to see u have experience and im sure u do good work, but why come out and get on them about there first protos probably taking a crap. Whether it did or not it doesnt matter as long as the finished product that gets sold to the public gets results.
Theres nothing wrong with coming on the forum to introduce a product thats not finished yet, it gives us a chance to talk about it and get a feel for what this product may or may not do and theres many smart guys on this forum that may write info that may help vendors make better products includin urself
So no need for the roll eyes just give them a chance to finish there manis before u come down on them
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (r cleghorn)
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Not at all, the redesign is for an even bigger gain from "conventional style" aftermarket intake manifolds, ease of production and lower cost to consumer.
The intake manifold is a very serious project that we are constantly working on to make the best quality and best performing product at a reasonable cost.
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
To everyone else: We are sorry for the delay in release date and are working very hard to be able to release this new product as soon as possible. We thank you for your patience and understanding.
-Rich</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not at all, the redesign is for an even bigger gain from "conventional style" aftermarket intake manifolds, ease of production and lower cost to consumer.
The intake manifold is a very serious project that we are constantly working on to make the best quality and best performing product at a reasonable cost.
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
To everyone else: We are sorry for the delay in release date and are working very hard to be able to release this new product as soon as possible. We thank you for your patience and understanding.
-Rich</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (91hondaman)
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So no need for the roll eyes just give them a chance to finish there manis before u come down on them
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I'm not coming down on them....I just disagree with the following:
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Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
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I know from experience that after building a prototype, you might think it'll run well, but get crap results. Its happened to me, you learn and go to design #2.
My first design for a SOHC honda intake manifold ran like crap, I made 5 more prototypes and tested them and one worked well and went into production.
Coming to a forum and expecting positive feedback is just hallarious!
Obviously the first one either didn't run as expected or maybe they want different results. Either way, I do have to commend them for continuing development for a better product! I hate rip off companies that make claims of 20hp and only make 1hp *cough*AEBS*cough*OBX*cough*
Modified by Marauder at 7:03 PM 12/9/2004
So no need for the roll eyes just give them a chance to finish there manis before u come down on them
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I'm not coming down on them....I just disagree with the following:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by r cleghorn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Your negative comments are unwanted and unknowledgeable judgements are unnecessary.
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I know from experience that after building a prototype, you might think it'll run well, but get crap results. Its happened to me, you learn and go to design #2.
My first design for a SOHC honda intake manifold ran like crap, I made 5 more prototypes and tested them and one worked well and went into production.
Coming to a forum and expecting positive feedback is just hallarious!
Obviously the first one either didn't run as expected or maybe they want different results. Either way, I do have to commend them for continuing development for a better product!
I hate rip off companies that make claims of 20hp and only make 1hp *cough*AEBS*cough*OBX*cough*Modified by Marauder at 7:03 PM 12/9/2004
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Marauder)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Marauder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know from experience that after building a prototype, you might think it'll run well, but get crap results. Its happened to me, you learn and go to design #2.
My first design for a SOHC honda intake manifold ran like crap, I made 5 more prototypes and tested them and one worked well and went into production.
Coming to a forum and expecting positive feedback is just hallarious!
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The whole problem is that you keep ASSUMING that it didnt make good results. Just because you didnt design a manifold ideally at the first run, does not in any way mean that everyone else designing manifolds will encounter the same thing.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Obviously the first one either didn't run as expected or maybe they want different results. Either way, I do have to commend them for continuing development for a better product! I hate rip off companies that make claims of 20hp and only make 1hp *cough*AEBS*cough*OBX*cough*
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How is it obvious?
Rich just said:
Not at all, the redesign is for an even bigger gain from "conventional style" aftermarket intake manifolds, ease of production and lower cost to consumer.
There is a difference between negative comments that are constructive, and negative comments that dont apply to the situation.
My first design for a SOHC honda intake manifold ran like crap, I made 5 more prototypes and tested them and one worked well and went into production.
Coming to a forum and expecting positive feedback is just hallarious!
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The whole problem is that you keep ASSUMING that it didnt make good results. Just because you didnt design a manifold ideally at the first run, does not in any way mean that everyone else designing manifolds will encounter the same thing.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Obviously the first one either didn't run as expected or maybe they want different results. Either way, I do have to commend them for continuing development for a better product!
I hate rip off companies that make claims of 20hp and only make 1hp *cough*AEBS*cough*OBX*cough*</TD></TR></TABLE>
How is it obvious?
Rich just said:
Not at all, the redesign is for an even bigger gain from "conventional style" aftermarket intake manifolds, ease of production and lower cost to consumer.
There is a difference between negative comments that are constructive, and negative comments that dont apply to the situation.
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Re: Full Race Prototype Intake Manifold (Rob @ K-Series.com)
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How is it obvious?
There is a difference between negative comments that are constructive, and negative comments that dont apply to the situation.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You don't like my comments....opps...too bad, this is a public forum.
Let me see if I can just clarify my stance....
I have been done the same road as Full Race with manifold design. When I say, "must have ran like crap" it just means not up to expectations. I come from years of experience designing cast aluminum intake manifolds and also having worked for Honda Performance Development on the ChampCar engine program.
How is it obvious?
There is a difference between negative comments that are constructive, and negative comments that dont apply to the situation.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You don't like my comments....opps...too bad, this is a public forum.
Let me see if I can just clarify my stance....
I have been done the same road as Full Race with manifold design. When I say, "must have ran like crap" it just means not up to expectations. I come from years of experience designing cast aluminum intake manifolds and also having worked for Honda Performance Development on the ChampCar engine program.
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My first prototype intake manifold that i did for my senior ME project last year stomped the edelbrock victor x manifold at the same boost level, same conditions, same set-up only IM was changed. Gains from all over the rpm band.
I gave the intake manifold to geoff for comparisions sake in considering the design for their intake manifold. They changed things pretty drastically in comparision to mine, and the runners have an even better design than what i was able to machine. Time will tell, but i am expecting gains better, or ever bit as good as mine.
I gave the intake manifold to geoff for comparisions sake in considering the design for their intake manifold. They changed things pretty drastically in comparision to mine, and the runners have an even better design than what i was able to machine. Time will tell, but i am expecting gains better, or ever bit as good as mine.