no kiddng? WOW! so what is the difference? i thought they were the same....


signed,
~pipefitter who builds oil refineries and ethanol plants.

 

Hmmm, funny my motor almost dropped a valve too, expect I caught it and had to rebuild my cyl head. Why, because of aluminum oxide coating of my intake valve stems. Valve stems and valve guides we severly gulled up under a microscope.

 

LOL! your blaming e85 for "almost" dropping a valve? haha. my valves were perfectly clean after i disassembled my motor and head, no corrosion whatsoever. in fact they were even better then some motors that ive run on gas only. reason mine dropped a valve is cause i was revving it too high for stock valvetrain...other than that no issues. i guess your still the only one that has dropped a valve cause of e85, lulz.

i still think your over-exagerating the affects of ethanol. if you can even say it is affecting anything, well short term for now, because it is so minimal.

another thing. since ethanol ruins motors, no one can even run regular gas in their cars anymore either since they contain 10% ethanol. what are we gonna do...?

 

I took the initiative today to go out in the garage and drop my tank to take some pictures, I did not just drop it for this thread I have to sump it anyway.

Here are the facts of my tank...

1. It has been soaking in 8gal of E85 since OCTOBER 2008, THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN STARTED SINCE DECEMBER 08!

2. My feed line was capped under the car right after the filter, so it has been full of Ethanol as well for about 1.5yrs.

3. The Walbro has been in the car since the day I started using E85, summer of 2007...

On to the pictures, I took them with my phone but if anyone requests I will take better pics with a real camera....








If you cant see the pics, the inside of the tank is MINT!
The pump hanger (which I might add has some exposed metal from grinding on it to fit a weld bung) is MINT!
Walbro 255hp.... MINT!
Inside of Russell Fuel Filter.... Hint of white residue, but otherwise MINT!

 

drop a valve have to blame it on e85 since it was just on gas lol had to be the e85 man

to all those who wanna blame everything on e85 i have 3 words for ya

just run gas

 

haha for once I agree with you

 

damm very interesting

 

looking pretty good.
Off topic:
How much HP can a single 044 handle on E85?

 

no set point, depends on the Injectors, what dyno type etc... i will say 500 to be safe, maybe 550 with a big set of injectors.... just take whatever something can make on gas and subtract 25-30% and that puts you in the ballpark.

 

Got it. I saw T1's chart but there was no single 044. Thanks for the input though.

 

Just use a Walbro 255 intank to feed the 044, its a proven combo... especially if your trying to run a high base pressure with a set of ID Injectors.

 

Tonio is running a cell with ID 1000s

 

Do you think I should use the MSD pump to prime the 044?
I'm scared of the MSD pump. I might end up getting a 255 inline. We'll see.

 

The MSD Pump is probably a variant of the Walbro.... not sure though.

My old setup was a 255hp intank to a 255hp inline, this was before the 044 was popular and if I was to do it again the 044 would be in place of the 255 inline, especially when an 044 is only like $75 more than the inline 255.

 

The MSD is about the same price. MSD claims it can support 500HP. I think is rated at 46ghp. The only thing is that it has 3/8 barb fittings that you cannot remove... I wanted to run -8 AN. I might end up using it...

 

Thanks for the post man. So you've seen no negatives with the E85 sitting/running that long? Have you looked at your injectors yet?

 

Nope, but I let my friend use my RC1000's before I ever used them... he put 15k on them strictly with E85 and when I finally got them back I sent them out to be cleaned and flowed before I used them and they were still clean and they all flowed 1000cc except for one that flowed 990cc lol

Sold the Injectors a year ago and they are still going on someone else's car....

 

Weld a bung to the barb... you dont really need upgraded lines my friend made 595whp with all OEM lines on E85 and he had room left.

 

Its made out of plastic

 

not a fan of anything barbed on the feed side of the fuel system

 

im just confused as to why people think 85% alcohal will cause any issues i mean 85%alcohal and 15% gas well we know what gas does, and we know alcohal evaporates lol.

i can tell you a negative affect it had on my car well it use to run hot,but with the e85 it doesnt even hit 180 degrees now. Oh wait that isnt to negative is it lol.

what I like about the e85 also is that in the Army we use alcohal as an additive to the gasoline engines we run in Iraq to keep the water content out of it, and since e85 is mostly alcohal well there isnt any worries about condensation building up in the system.

 

Your WAY beyond reason here. You have a forum of people running it with NO issues, then out of left field your entire car self destructed. Its clearly due to some issue either with the fuel you purchased or the fact you ran methanol and not ethanol.

Shouldn't common sense prevail and you possibly accept the fact that E85 isn't the issue and that some other factor is involved? I've seen people on all motor forums quoting the damage you've attributed to E85 far and wide. You've potentially influenced countless people in continuing the spread of false information that lacks basis and support in numbers.

I think that instead of remaining invested in this claim that E85 is the devil, that you should investigate the issue further.

My Delsol sat for 1 year with E85 in the tank. I pulled the pump before getting the car back on the road, partially because of things I'd read that you said. Like shown above, my tank was flawless. Nothing wrong whatsoever. Pump worked fine, no leaks, injectors worked fine. Over three years of running E85 and no issues. How do you explain that?

 

Note to Self: BigTuna hates e85.

 

Chalky white power is a sign of corrosion, I believe. Like Rust is a sign of oxidizing aka corrosion of metals. A clean fuel tank? Did it look clean when it was just Gasoline? Probably not so there's where we get clogging of the fuel filter.
The only way ethanol is going to kill your motor is if you run lean and blow something. At least that's the first problem that's likely to happen.

Don't count on the parts doing anything in the E85 tub it'll take years for any sign of failure. The corrosion on the other hand should be quicker to show but last to do anything. Rust takes years.

 

good thread, i like the results so far