lets see. the best honda builders and tuners could never even dream of making this power with what is listed. gary kubo, tony, gardella and his crew, ralph and the new york guys, john brown, countless people with 10 years each into this game would never come on here and say 800 hp on gas and no nitrous.....30 lbs of boost.....bla, bla, bla....whatever.

either way i hope they make a better showing than frank did.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BodyKits NW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">More like, there is more to this than what is being told. That is what competition is all about. This car exist, and this car makes this amount of power on GAS. How? That is the question, and maybe it's a question you all need to answer for yourself. Like you said you guys are experienced, if your experienced then just do it or keep trying. Period. It's obvious they found the right parts, and have the experience to do it. 1.5 years is a long time working on a car and with a inhouse dyno you can basically try any combination of parts any time. Maybe they know something you don't. That is what makes people set themselves apart from everyone else. That's why they have 712whp car and other people don't. But the funny thing out of all this is the fact that when you look at his car and you think about the power it makes, you still think how. But when the dyno is right behind you, and it spits out that dynoplot, you still think how. Why? because it's simply amazing. Like what a lot of people say, keep it simple.

I would love to make that much power, I bet with the help of GZ, they can make my car a all out high horsepower street car. Some of you have seen my setup, it don't just look good. Only thing stopping me is the fact I can't stand the sound of Duc's fuel pump. I just need a bigger turbo and more fuel, but I am not willing to sacrifice that much, I'm a wimp. I got the motor, I got the components, but no fuel. If only someone sold a fuel pump that could not be heard 30ft away lol. You know what else....you can't forget about Brian's car. This will not be the only 600+whp car coming out of there. There is plenty of more to come. That's a understatement.

Oh by the way, I looked for Nitrous, no lines, no bottle, no nitrous. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Just need a bigger turbo and fuel..... why did'nt anyone else think of that
I can make a dyno plot spit out what ever I want, please do not patronise with comments like that. Put that car on a dynojet .... out of oregon, and we shall see what it makes. Truth of the matter if I made 800 hp my car would be at the track the next day. Why do you think we have a problem? 200 extra ponies out of a set up similar to what most people have on this board, I do not care if the hair dryer is
a t100, or uncle pappies diesel turbo. It is extremely abnormal, is that is why it is so hard to belive. Jason

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by littlebluecrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hey, no other big shop has ever claimed such a hp#... it is not like you made 30 more horsepower than the norm, you guys made almost 200 more than the norm.....,eye brows raised accordingly...... posting has positive and negative affects. Let's here some specs on this "jack and the bean stalk" b -series
Jason</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah they are called JG Engine Dynamics I dunno

http://www.jgenginedynamics.com/dynotests7

Their #s were always EXCESSIVE too.

Plus I THINK JG's dynoes are ENGINE DYNOS because they test most of their stuff on their engine dynos.

 

Then those guys better move to portland lol.

There better now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOUNDEFFECTS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">......BUT this was at 35psi(Also used the innovative BC that didn't work so well at first either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

like i said, they came on here to say they made over 700 on a mustang dyno on 29lbs of boost on gas with no nitrous. thats about 800 hp. that is not as close to the dyno plot you just posted as you are making it sound. 700 to the wheels on a dyno jet under those claims(but with more boost) has been achieved and is believable......but that is a FAR cry from what they are claiming. if they said they made 800 on gas on 38 lbs of boost with a direct port, i would still be skeptical....but i would know that is theoretically possible. but 800 on gas with no nitrous and 29 lbs of on a turbo that is no where near its efficiency range.........lets have the truth. that is all. i am not here to call out something that is possible bullshit. only something that is impossible. can't wait to see them get this thing down the track.........

 

It's all good guys, no need for arguing... The numbers are what the numbers are but who really gives a **** about HORSEPOWER... ET and TRAP MPH are what really count and we all know that... Peace -Adam

 

Jinx does have a really good point, I'm satisfied with the argument now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOUNDEFFECTS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">760hp to the wheels on a dynojet on c116 with a t72 ballbearing and a .81 or .82 a/r backhousing has happened.

No NOS, no meth, and not even a 2.0 motor. BUT this was at 35psi(Also used the innovative BC that didn't work so well at first either. Boost wasn't accurate with the gauges and datalog till it was fixed). So figure there graph was 712hp on a mustang dyno, at 6psi. Yes, it is kinda hard to believe but its so close to the numbers I posted, why can't it happen?I wish I could be doubting somebody but I can just give props for making the power however it was made.

That was the dyno I posted from a Pro-Fwd car.
</TD></TR></TABLE>760 on a dynojet is a little different than 712 on a mustang, that means that on 6 less psi this motor made 80 more horsepower. With t70 on a dyno the difference is easily 70 hp between 29 psi and 35 psi. I have seenover and over again on a dynojet the big difference 6 psi can make past 25 pounds on the dyno. They are just way out of the norm it is not 20 or 30 horsepower here, we are talking 80 more than one of the highest dyno #'s on gas I have heard off at 6 less psi...... come on now. Jason
The boost is extremly low for that power level

 

See, Jinx said it plainly for everyone.. The amount of stuff that car has, as compared to the numbers the car is putting up, doesnt add up. The reason for that is.... well, its hot air. I wasnt the first person to speak up for nothing, i smell something rotten, and even tho i personally dont care if the car made 1000hp, with no track #, the car is pretty much an apparation.. Take that dyno sheet, and hide it until you go to the track. I know if i made that hp, id be at the track immediately..

EDIT: Look at that damn power curve. Come on

 

Havent a clue, the car dynoed 372 on 9 psi in march of 2002 then when we turned it up the tires spun. we took it off and I tuned at the track from there. The crx is probaly making 500, I really consentrate on track tunning not dyno tunning. I really am only argueing this because it is sunday , and I am bored, so dont take this to personal. Jason

 

Take it to the track? Can you explain to me how? It's been raining here in Washingtn for the past week LMAO.

 

If I get tatoos will that make me COOL? LOL! Lighten up everyone.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BodyKits NW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take it to the track? Can you explain to me how? It's been raining here in Washingtn for the past week LMAO.</TD></TR></TABLE>Yo laugh it off I am not super doppler smuck. I have given doubts dont get shity cause I am not eating your plate of b.s. I am not bashfull if the car run's I will give congrats, you can stick it to me good, but if it does not run you are gonna get your *** ridden hard preacher boy. Good luck....... like none of here no what we are talking about.

 

Sunday Honda-Tech meeting-5:00pm eastern every sunday, stay tuned for previews of next weeks episode.

Next week-Ford Festiva runs 9's, stock motor on diesel!

 

I also agree that 712whp on the mustang dyno is a little high for the setup he has. You also have to understand that if this setup *IS* real and does lay down a number at the track, then it will have raised the bar for street cars and hell even some race cars to a level that has not been seen before.

Although I imagine the same sort of talk happened when the first big HP supras started coming out of nowhere as well. Get it to the track ASAP guys!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOUNDEFFECTS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sunday Honda-Tech meeting-5:00pm eastern every sunday, stay tuned for previews of next weeks episode.

Next week-Ford Festiva runs 9's, stock motor on diesel!</TD></TR></TABLE> heheheheheh, now that I belive, ford powa!

 

This is some info I found online about the diff between Mustang and Dynojets when they were testing a 2000 Camaro SS . So maybe not always the 15% factor comes into play. I dunno

"You can also see that the Dynojet dyno measures a higher rear-wheel horsepower than the Mustang dyno.



The Dynojet measÂ*ured 5.1 percent higher horsepower in Fourth gear, 7 percent higher horsepower in Third gear, and 8.2 percent higher horsepower in Second gear. We will try and explain this difference a little later. "

edit:The article concluded like this! lol!

"The bottom line: dyno numbers are for show, and track times are for the dough! CHP"

So I am all show also until I get the dough!




Modified by Boostfed at 5:31 PM 10/12/2003

 

oh well. i hope these numbers are proved at the track or some other dyno. because instead of bickering back and forth we could all have something to "celebrate" the idea that high hp hondas have come a long way

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostfed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"The bottom line: dyno numbers are for show, and track times are for the dough! CHP"

So I am all show also until I get the dough! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sounds good to me, we'll get it out to the track just as soon as IT STOPS RAINING For now who cares...

 

Alright Hunt, we'll see soon enough eh. You can't argue with what's in front of you. I could care less what it does on the track, it ain't my car. But we'll see soon enough how fast this thing is.

 

Its not going to happen, someone turned the winter switch on out here. It will be next march at the soonest to get to run again. I really dought we get another shot this yr to run out at woodburn.

What did he run at woodburn NHRA, wasnt it like 600hp then? I was always in the car when they were making passes.
I know my car is maybe 520 whp and it ran 9.9@ 144. I'd expect 160 mph traps with that power in my car.... But who knows, I've never been on the dyno with my car and dont plan to go anytime soon.

Tom

 

If it is making that power, should be interesting at the track. I have seen what 700hp (dynojet) cars do or should a I don't do in the traction department. But good luck. And another note a 9.9 sec Colt that is just bad ***.

 

His car is full interior w/rollcage. Mine w/o rollcage is about 2500lbs w/o me in it, so his is probably closer to 2600lbs'ish. I wouldn't count on buck-sixty traps.

 

I would expect those speeds in my car, not his.

I cant see how that much power would be very useful in a street type car, you might be able to go full boost the last 100 ft, but before that you'd probably just be spinning the tires.

I'd rather have lower hp and a car thats well set up....

Thanks for complement, I just wish I would have had some more time to get through Chassis inspection and stuff and get some more runs in this year.

Tom

 

i have seen a 2650 lb honda trap 147 with a hell of alot less power then what they are claiming....with no wheelie bars.....so we shall see what it traps. power is just a small part of the equation.