if you look up pocket rockets posts....

he claims he tunes better then mase

ports heads better then headgames

builds motors better then earl.....

and has tried to bash each of them to boost his ego .....reason for my previous statement

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D@nnY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you look up pocket rockets posts....

he claims he tunes better then mase

ports heads better then headgames

builds motors better then earl.....

and has tried to bash each of them to boost his ego .....reason for my previous statement </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, damn he is the man then.

i guess thats why we hear so many good things about him.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

lol, damn he is the man then.

i guess thats why we hear so many good things about him.

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hes actually the self proclaimed king of hondas.....imagine that

 

i was honestly referring more to don than him........i kinda got put off with his h22 thread claiming it was the baddest honda engine ever built...which is far...far...farrrrr from true

 

don don don do i need to fly to florida and slap your hand you know your not allowed to tell the truth on honda tech

 

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lol, damn he is the man then.

i guess thats why we hear so many good things about him.

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I'm just going to leave that comment alone

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D@nnY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you look up pocket rockets posts....

he claims he tunes better then mase

ports heads better then headgames

builds motors better then earl.....
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I'm going to have to raise a BS Flag on this
I'm not on Mase's ***** here but i highly doubt he can tune better than Mase.
nor build better motors than earl.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Let me see if I have this right. The Pro A rod is made of the same material as the Heavy Duty rod, but comes with a smaller , less duty bolt, and is 95 grams lighter, or 23% but should be able to withstand the same amount pressure and load, as the HD rod because the material is the same. Then why make the HD rod.
Now lets take a Turbo piston and machine 23% of the material off, think it will work at over 600 BHP?
I understand trying a lighter part, if it works, you go faster, if it does'nt, Oh well cost of going fast. Chalk it up to experiance.
Real racers are alway's pushing the limit, when it blowes up, you back up a step.
Material wise, Carrillo has made the best rods for over 20 years, the CARR bolt is an industry standard, seeing how far you can streach the limits is called " the cost of going fast"
When you do not want to try the TI pins, or the cadsidium coating, or the lighter parts, because they may fail, OK Mid-pack will always be mid-pack.
Inovation always has it's risks, and there ain't no warrenty's in racing.
Gee wiz, I bet Warren and Johnson, John Force, or Hendrick's have never blowed up a motor.
But, but, but, I paid over $600.00 dollars for the lighest steel rods there are and they bent, get over it, I have a set on my desk, but they are for a 300 BHP NA motor. I read the directions.
Want to guess on how many sets of of Eagle rods, VS Carrillo, Panki, Cosworth were used at the Daytona 24 hour race? Want to guess for the Daytona 500?</TD></TR></TABLE>


nah bro, you got it all wrong, please go back and read what i took the time to create/post, instead of skimming threw it and talking in one hole and out the other...

the pro-a is a totally different rod design, hence the "A" it is forged and looks exactly like a stock rod but beefier like a manley rod and has the "a" shape... the pro-h is shaped like an h when you look at it form the side... so they are two diff. designs proccessed differently..

usually when your build a high boost application your looking for a heavier rod to take a beating... the NA guys want the lighter parts because instead of having boost they need as much rotation free'd up as pissible to get into the rpm range faster...

yes the bolts are smaller as well and have less clamping force... but the pro-a is their economy line rod (already stated)... its made of the same material, but not forged/produced the same way the pro-h is..

and what the f^ck is an HD rod or a panki... its pankel and h-beam, please dont come in here and bring that john force bullsh^t in here and daytona crap, its not needed... if your not going to contribute to anything technical then stop draging this stupid bickering on...

this thread should have been about poor customer service, but since most people on here dont even know anything about b-series carrillo rods i posted techinical related information so you can see for yourself...

the rods were used in the wrong application, and that was whole point... its pretty nice to see that rods desgined for about 50hp per cyl. even lasted to 150+hp per cyl. and only one looks to be bent in the pic., but that doesnt mean sh^t b/c you cant tell unless you mic em... but thats some nice quality for an econmy rod in itself..


i think you should go back and read what i posted about the rod differences.

 

Does anyone realize that rods are rated by rpms and not horsepower? Horsepower rating of rods are nothing more than some BS for the customer to relate to.

 

manikGRS, you missed my point entirely, a rod 23% lighter will not take the same stress, even if it the same material. It will take LESS. Only an idiot, or someone hoping to find an advantage, would use a ulta-light 411 gram rod in place of a 505 gram rod designed to serve their application.
Simple words here, 1in. OD .045 chrome moly tubing is not as strong as 1in. .095 chrome moly
tubing in compression and strech.
A 300 BHP motor requires a different rod and piston, cylinder sleeve, than a 600 BHP motor.

 

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So did you over rev the motor? horse power has to do something with it? if not then why not use stock rods at a lower rpm?

 

I was waitin for you to say that Earl....pm me with a price on ATI damper; the street and the race!

 

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I was refering to pocketrockets whos posts have already been deleted bashing everyone theres no need for you to get fresh with me sister </TD></TR></TABLE>

I never bashed Headgames, I answered the thred, the thread was about someone asking if the supertech valves were good....thats all.

is this "bashing"? I don't think so.
you turn it into something that it isn't, and then you come on here and spread the smearing.
you are what you claim others to be.
I made comments on my good experience with supertech valves.....I also made a comment on the 100's of blown up engines I have seen on HT, I was getting tired of seeing all these blown engines that are assembled by incompetent builders. I made a comment that there are all too many voodoo engine builders.....its a general comment, specifically applied to "engine blowuper's" builders. engines blow up in racing all the time.......thats racing.....but people who blame others to cover up their own incompetance to not impress me to say the least.

regarding Earl, its simple........if a rod is rated at 300 hp for a 4 cyl......it can be used for 600+ hp...it will make loads of HP for some time, could be 10 seconds, 10 mintes, 10 races, who knows......thats good, trying to get more HP out of motors is what racing engine builders do..... to Earl.....but when the engine blows up....its also unfair to blame the manufacturer when the manufacturer specifially says its not made for 600+ hp.....I know, I have had plenty of phone and live conversations with a number of high quality rods........blown engine, take responsibility, suck up the blame and chalk it up to experience.

is this "bashing"? I don't think so.

relating to Mase, it was in this thread, I was responding to Earl's post and Mase came on defending Earl, for whatever reason....and took cheap shots at me.....I never claimed to tune better than Mase....and I basically said, mmmm wait a minute, you tuned a turbo motor I sent to the UK......I saw the before map and after maps and the datalog was loaded with up to 5 volts of knock....and it took out the headgasket.....its irritating cause I was told he was a good tuner...maybe he is, but not on that engine.....I fixed the issue's......anyways, Mase of course deleted the posts made by me aimed at him, so no one can read about it........good way to control the conversation.....He might claim its off topic, yet he is the one who derailed the thread from the onset, so go figure.

I think if anyone who is able to be somewhat objective with themselves, reads any post I have made here on HT, that they are quite informative, and not done in any unfair, abusive or spreading mis-information or dis-information.



Modified by PocketRockets Racing at 11:16 PM 2/14/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Under_Pressure &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So did you over rev the motor? horse power has to do something with it? if not then why not use stock rods at a lower rpm?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Beacause the Turbos used to make 600-800hp dont die off at 7k. just between stock redline and 10k they can pick up over 200 or 300 horses. big turbos need rpms on hondas.

 

Rods are rated by cycles and load. Get a grip.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone realize that rods are rated by rpms and not horsepower? Horsepower rating of rods are nothing more than some BS for the customer to relate to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Earl why is that though?

So lets say X rod can handle 9500 rpm. That is the breaking point of the rod. But the motor makes 2,000 hp in a 8 cylinder configuration at 7500rpm. I would think they would have to take horsepower into consideration juxtaposed to only rpm no?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">manikGRS, you missed my point entirely, a rod 23% lighter will not take the same stress, even if it the same material. It will take LESS. Only an idiot, or someone hoping to find an advantage, would use a ulta-light 411 gram rod in place of a 505 gram rod designed to serve their application.
Simple words here, 1in. OD .045 chrome moly tubing is not as strong as 1in. .095 chrome moly
tubing in compression and strech.
A 300 BHP motor requires a different rod and piston, cylinder sleeve, than a 600 BHP motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my fault.

 

All this talk about Horsepower........its just a made up # to sell products.........thats it. Not physically measureable. Just mathmatically measurrable.

I'm going to make my own word up now - its called JOS(pronouced JOES)...........its better than horsepower.........here's how you calculate it:

((Torque x 5252 ) / RPM (@which max torque is reached) ) +1

 

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relating to Mase, it was in this thread, I was responding to Earl's post and Mase came on defending Earl, for whatever reason....and took cheap shots at me.....I never claimed to tune better than Mase....and I basically said, mmmm wait a minute, you tuned a turbo motor I sent to the UK......I saw the before map and after maps and the datalog was loaded with up to 5 volts of knock....and it took out the headgasket.....its irritating cause I was told he was a good tuner...maybe he is, but not on that engine.....I fixed the issue's......anyways, Mase of course deleted the posts made by me aimed at him, so no one can read about it........good way to control the conversation.....He might claim its off topic, yet he is the one who derailed the thread from the onset, so go figure.

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I saw the posts before they were deleted and no one took a cheap shot at you ...your full of it....

why would you post a story of an unrelated person with an unrelated motor with an unrelated tune in this thread and expect it not to get deleted? are you that stupid? im glad you "fixed" mases tune for him and called earl an incompetent engine builder lol get real

 

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hes actually the self proclaimed king of hondas.....imagine that </TD></TR></TABLE>

you are speading lies........I have never even remotely come close to ever claim this.
I do development work.
I run a 92mm piston which as far as I know or ever heard of is the largest piston ever sucessfuly placed in a factory 4 cyl honda block.....and is boostable to 6-8 psi

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKINGPin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
((Torque x 5252 ) / RPM (@which max torque is reached) ) +1

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its actually trq x rpm /5252 = hp

 

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you are speading lies........I have never even remotely come close to ever claim this.
I do development work.
I run a 92mm piston which as far as I know or ever heard of is the largest piston ever sucessfuly placed in a factory 4 cyl honda block.....and is boostable to 6-8 psi</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont care.......what does that have to do with these rods?? please shut up.....thanks

 

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i dont care.......what does that have to do with these rods?? please shut up.....thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>

why do you need to be so rude anyways? I do know you do not care, that is obvious , I do.
it has everything to do with it.....Earls rods are bent......how have you helped?.......nothing positive to contrubute......the rod was un in a way that it was not intended and it bent......only 2 rods bent..are the other 2 rods bent? why not? why not 4 bent rods? did 2 cylinders detonate? how does one know if and which cylinders detonated or not? detonation does bent rods.....even big rods......maybe the rods can take 600 whp

 

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relating to Mase, it was in this thread, I was responding to Earl's post and Mase came on defending Earl, for whatever reason....and took cheap shots at me.....I never claimed to tune better than Mase....and I basically said, mmmm wait a minute, you tuned a turbo motor I sent to the UK......I saw the before map and after maps and the datalog was loaded with up to 5 volts of knock....and it took out the headgasket.....its irritating cause I was told he was a good tuner...maybe he is, but not on that engine.....I fixed the issue's......anyways, Mase of course deleted the posts made by me aimed at him, so no one can read about it........good way to control the conversation.....He might claim its off topic, yet he is the one who derailed the thread from the onset, so go figure.
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lol do i have to go over this again?

if you have something to say about my tuning start a new thread. or you can pm me about it. not that anyone would believe a damn thing you'd say, because after all you've tuned hundreds of turbo setups, but not me, but go right ahead do it anywhere but this thread

for the last time, since you cant get your cheap shot in anywhere but in this thread, since you want to talk about nathans motor... isnt it funny the logs on the dyno never showed any knock voltage. then the ems magically lost the calibration?

and never has a motor ive tuned failed due to timing detonation.

further, come on you master engine builder. since you know everything, you would also note that built motors have completely different noise levels and a stock knock sensor will not always be even remotely accurate.

i could comment on the motor's compression and the amount of oil it blew, but i'm not here trying to bust your bubble.

 

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lol do i have to go over this again?

if you have something to say about my tuning start a new thread. or you can pm me about it. not that anyone would believe a damn thing you'd say, because after all you've tuned hundreds of turbo setups, but not me, but go right ahead do it anywhere but this thread

for the last time, since you cant get your cheap shot in anywhere but in this thread, since you want to talk about nathans motor... isnt it funny the logs on the dyno never showed any knock voltage. then the ems magically lost the calibration?

and never has a motor ive tuned failed due to timing detonation.

further, come on you master engine builder. since you know everything, you would also note that built motors have completely different noise levels and a stock knock sensor will not always be even remotely accurate.

i could comment on the motor's compression and the amount of oil it blew, but i'm not here trying to bust your bubble. </TD></TR></TABLE>

pointless, you'd delete it.