Bent Carillos
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Re: Bent Carillos (Suprdave)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OMG, I can't believe you used All-Motor Carillo Rods in a turbo engine making 600whp.
I looked in my Carillo Catalog and it specifically says for the Pro-A, "These Parts
are designed for applications that function at levels of approx. 50hp per cylinder"
So...maybe you owe an apology Earl?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There was the answer I was looking for. Thank you for the quote from the catalogue. So Carillo only makes 2 models for hondas, the pro-a (which seems like allmotor apps or stock replacements) and the h beam (which seems like overkill for most mild setups)? Just want to clarify here.
In Earls defense, he may have implied that the rods suck, but all he really flat out said was that their customer service was less than friendly when he inquired about it.
I agree though, this thread can easily be misconstrued. Which is what Dan said from the beginning and got crucified by a few people for
I looked in my Carillo Catalog and it specifically says for the Pro-A, "These Parts
are designed for applications that function at levels of approx. 50hp per cylinder"
So...maybe you owe an apology Earl?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There was the answer I was looking for. Thank you for the quote from the catalogue. So Carillo only makes 2 models for hondas, the pro-a (which seems like allmotor apps or stock replacements) and the h beam (which seems like overkill for most mild setups)? Just want to clarify here.
In Earls defense, he may have implied that the rods suck, but all he really flat out said was that their customer service was less than friendly when he inquired about it.
I agree though, this thread can easily be misconstrued. Which is what Dan said from the beginning and got crucified by a few people for
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Re: Bent Carillos (earl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes Dave, you are right, I owe an apology.
I hereby apoligize for thinking that a $650 Carillo rod would hold more horsepower that a $300 Eagle rod. I apoligize that a rod "created from the same material" as their $1300 half way decent rod could only be suited for the same horsepower as an OEM shot peened rod used in an allmotor car. If I had been doing my job properly, I would have chosen one of those $200 Eagle clone rods out there on the internet.
I hope this makes everyone happy, especially all the guys in the mid west that claim over 600whp daily driven on Eagles.
BTW, I exchanged the Carillos for Pauters at no charge for the customer.
I had the Carillos straightened and am now taking bids...</TD></TR></TABLE>
That Carillo Rod is $650 because it is 411 Grams...It is an All-Motor Rod. Why don't you just admit to screwing up and stop trying to put it off on Carillo. This thread is pointless. That's like buying SRP Pistons and getting pissed because you made 600whp and they cracked. Even tho the box says they are made for 300-350whp. Then justifiying being pissed because of how much they cost.
I hereby apoligize for thinking that a $650 Carillo rod would hold more horsepower that a $300 Eagle rod. I apoligize that a rod "created from the same material" as their $1300 half way decent rod could only be suited for the same horsepower as an OEM shot peened rod used in an allmotor car. If I had been doing my job properly, I would have chosen one of those $200 Eagle clone rods out there on the internet.
I hope this makes everyone happy, especially all the guys in the mid west that claim over 600whp daily driven on Eagles.
BTW, I exchanged the Carillos for Pauters at no charge for the customer.
I had the Carillos straightened and am now taking bids...</TD></TR></TABLE>
That Carillo Rod is $650 because it is 411 Grams...It is an All-Motor Rod. Why don't you just admit to screwing up and stop trying to put it off on Carillo. This thread is pointless. That's like buying SRP Pistons and getting pissed because you made 600whp and they cracked. Even tho the box says they are made for 300-350whp. Then justifiying being pissed because of how much they cost.
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Re: Bent Carillos (earl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes Dave, you are right, I owe an apology.
I hereby apoligize for thinking that a $650 Carillo rod would hold more horsepower that a $300 Eagle rod. I apoligize that a rod "created from the same material" as their $1300 half way decent rod could only be suited for the same horsepower as an OEM shot peened rod used in an allmotor car. If I had been doing my job properly, I would have chosen one of those $200 Eagle clone rods out there on the internet. </TD></TR></TABLE>
...Zinger!
I can't help but to agree with you. I'm with ya, I expect to get what I pay for. Perhaps they should change their marketing PDF and include a bolded statement: "These rods are not intended for high boost/high whp applications"???
Oh and replying to the guy that said "F the internet tunerz"....
My favorite thread of yours, Earl, is the break in write up. It helped answer a ton of questions back in the summer.
I hereby apoligize for thinking that a $650 Carillo rod would hold more horsepower that a $300 Eagle rod. I apoligize that a rod "created from the same material" as their $1300 half way decent rod could only be suited for the same horsepower as an OEM shot peened rod used in an allmotor car. If I had been doing my job properly, I would have chosen one of those $200 Eagle clone rods out there on the internet. </TD></TR></TABLE>
...Zinger!
I can't help but to agree with you. I'm with ya, I expect to get what I pay for. Perhaps they should change their marketing PDF and include a bolded statement: "These rods are not intended for high boost/high whp applications"???Oh and replying to the guy that said "F the internet tunerz"....
My favorite thread of yours, Earl, is the break in write up. It helped answer a ton of questions back in the summer.
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It would be good politics to admit that this was an application error. I've tried making things work myself..and learned my lesson. Either way, Earl, I always enjoy reading your threads..and thanks again for quick shipment on those CP pistons a while back.
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Re: Bent Carillos (Suprdave)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That Carillo Rod is $650 because it is 411 Grams...It is an All-Motor Rod. Why don't you just admit to screwing up and stop trying to put it off on Carillo. This thread is pointless. That's like buying SRP Pistons and getting pissed because you made 600whp and they cracked. Even tho the box says they are made for 300-350whp. Then justifiying being pissed because of how much they cost. </TD></TR></TABLE>
he said he wouldnt deal with them again due to their attitude and customer service...and im sure they lost a good customer due to having a shitty attitude...
he posted pictures so noone else trys what he did.. so stop crying
That Carillo Rod is $650 because it is 411 Grams...It is an All-Motor Rod. Why don't you just admit to screwing up and stop trying to put it off on Carillo. This thread is pointless. That's like buying SRP Pistons and getting pissed because you made 600whp and they cracked. Even tho the box says they are made for 300-350whp. Then justifiying being pissed because of how much they cost. </TD></TR></TABLE>
he said he wouldnt deal with them again due to their attitude and customer service...and im sure they lost a good customer due to having a shitty attitude...
he posted pictures so noone else trys what he did.. so stop crying
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Re: Bent Carillos (D@nnY)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D@nnY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
he said he wouldnt deal with them again due to their attitude and customer service...and im sure they lost a good customer due to having a shitty attitude...
he posted pictures so noone else trys what he did.. so stop crying </TD></TR></TABLE>
Hes not crying, he has a very valid point. I dont see how it can be overlooked.
Granted, you tossed in a, but we really need to distinguish between "hating" or giving someone a hard time, and genuine constructive criticism/feedback. This is clearly the latter. It was an incorrect application. Someone browsing will look at this thread and think "Earl says Carillos suck, so they do" even though thats not what he said (although Earl did strongly imply it). Thats not good.
he said he wouldnt deal with them again due to their attitude and customer service...and im sure they lost a good customer due to having a shitty attitude...
he posted pictures so noone else trys what he did.. so stop crying
</TD></TR></TABLE>Hes not crying, he has a very valid point. I dont see how it can be overlooked.
Granted, you tossed in a
, but we really need to distinguish between "hating" or giving someone a hard time, and genuine constructive criticism/feedback. This is clearly the latter. It was an incorrect application. Someone browsing will look at this thread and think "Earl says Carillos suck, so they do" even though thats not what he said (although Earl did strongly imply it). Thats not good.
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Re: Bent Carillos (Suprdave)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That Carillo Rod is $650 because it is 411 Grams...It is an All-Motor Rod. Why don't you just admit to screwing up and stop trying to put it off on Carillo. This thread is pointless. That's like buying SRP Pistons and getting pissed because you made 600whp and they cracked. Even tho the box says they are made for 300-350whp. Then justifiying being pissed because of how much they cost. </TD></TR></TABLE>
hehehe
i erase my mistakes..
so sorry.
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i erase my mistakes..
so sorry.
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Re: Bent Carillos (andysila)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andysila »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
We're all human, and we all make misatkes. trying to be a little bitch to someone who messed up (also thinking you have as much knowledge as Earl does) doesnt solve ANYTHING.....
We all make mistakes, OH WELL...."learn from your mistakes" ever heard that 1?
esus</TD></TR></TABLE>
Completely missing the point. No one is being a little bitch to anyone, nor is that relevant at all.
We're all human, and we all make misatkes. trying to be a little bitch to someone who messed up (also thinking you have as much knowledge as Earl does) doesnt solve ANYTHING.....
We all make mistakes, OH WELL...."learn from your mistakes" ever heard that 1?
esus</TD></TR></TABLE>
Completely missing the point. No one is being a little bitch to anyone, nor is that relevant at all.
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Re: Bent Carillos (Suprdave)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That Carillo Rod is $650 because it is 411 Grams...It is an All-Motor Rod. Why don't you just admit to screwing up and stop trying to put it off on Carillo. This thread is pointless. That's like buying SRP Pistons and getting pissed because you made 600whp and they cracked. Even tho the box says they are made for 300-350whp. Then justifiying being pissed because of how much they cost. </TD></TR></TABLE>Can you PLEASE tell me why any company in their right mind would make a 200whp rod for an allmotor use only? Who cares how if it is the lightest rod in the world if it is only good for 200whp. NO ONE CAN USE IT SO WHAT GOOD IS IT?
I purchased these rods over a year ago based on the Carillo reputation. None of this crap people are coming up with was on their site then.
That Carillo Rod is $650 because it is 411 Grams...It is an All-Motor Rod. Why don't you just admit to screwing up and stop trying to put it off on Carillo. This thread is pointless. That's like buying SRP Pistons and getting pissed because you made 600whp and they cracked. Even tho the box says they are made for 300-350whp. Then justifiying being pissed because of how much they cost. </TD></TR></TABLE>Can you PLEASE tell me why any company in their right mind would make a 200whp rod for an allmotor use only? Who cares how if it is the lightest rod in the world if it is only good for 200whp. NO ONE CAN USE IT SO WHAT GOOD IS IT?
I purchased these rods over a year ago based on the Carillo reputation. None of this crap people are coming up with was on their site then.
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Re: Bent Carillos (earl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can you PLEASE tell me why any company in their right mind would make a 200whp rod for an allmotor use only? Who cares how if it is the lightest rod in the world if it is only good for 200whp. NO ONE CAN USE IT SO WHAT GOOD IS IT?
I purchased these rods over a year ago based on the Carillo reputation. None of this crap people are coming up with was on their site then.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. Who would spend $650 for a 200whp motor when a stock rod can handle 250+ whp all day. That just doesn't even make sense. It is stupid actually.
I purchased these rods over a year ago based on the Carillo reputation. None of this crap people are coming up with was on their site then.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. Who would spend $650 for a 200whp motor when a stock rod can handle 250+ whp all day. That just doesn't even make sense. It is stupid actually.
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Re: Bent Carillos (PocketRockets Racing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PocketRockets Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
your starting to sound like someone who said" I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
the intent of the light rod has always been clear, it has always been made clear by Carrillo and any professional engine builder.
you used the wrong rod for the application.....period..... no more side stepping the issue.
the lightweight rod, as you used , is intended for 125 hp/cyl forced induction (500 hp in the 4 banger) and 75 hp per cylinder allmotor, which is 300 hp....and their are plenty of reasons to use it, if you can't see the reasons, then you shouldn't be an engine builder. A Carrillo will beat an eagle, gram for gram, in short term and long term use, hands down......the chinese do not innovate, they copy.......Eagle is a chinese rod, the design copied from Carrillo, I believe.
Eagles are good too, but they also should be used for their intended purpose as well, Eagles are meant for 750 hp in a 8 cyl,.....thats 325 hp in 4 cyl....and that is crank HP.
the Carrillo SUPER lightweight rod (not available for 4 cyl) is restricted to 450HP and 7000 rom in a V8</TD></TR></TABLE>Eagles can hold alot more power then that dude, your not going to be telling Earl anything he doesn't know. Perhaps the first post should be edited however, as it is misleading. But definitely appreciated.
your starting to sound like someone who said" I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
the intent of the light rod has always been clear, it has always been made clear by Carrillo and any professional engine builder.
you used the wrong rod for the application.....period..... no more side stepping the issue.
the lightweight rod, as you used , is intended for 125 hp/cyl forced induction (500 hp in the 4 banger) and 75 hp per cylinder allmotor, which is 300 hp....and their are plenty of reasons to use it, if you can't see the reasons, then you shouldn't be an engine builder. A Carrillo will beat an eagle, gram for gram, in short term and long term use, hands down......the chinese do not innovate, they copy.......Eagle is a chinese rod, the design copied from Carrillo, I believe.
Eagles are good too, but they also should be used for their intended purpose as well, Eagles are meant for 750 hp in a 8 cyl,.....thats 325 hp in 4 cyl....and that is crank HP.
the Carrillo SUPER lightweight rod (not available for 4 cyl) is restricted to 450HP and 7000 rom in a V8</TD></TR></TABLE>Eagles can hold alot more power then that dude, your not going to be telling Earl anything he doesn't know. Perhaps the first post should be edited however, as it is misleading. But definitely appreciated.
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That sucks because Carrillo rods are big money, hopefully they are willing to help you out on this one Earl, Honda-tech is a monsterous community and for this kind of information to be shown is kind of questioning the integrity of the rods?
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Re: Bent Carillos (earl)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I challenged this guy on his cranks in another forum so he is just trying for some revenge here. If only his post had make some sense, it could have been fun.
BTW, I will admit it finally...I did have sexual relations with that woman </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PocketRockets Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the lightweight rod, as you used , is intended for 125 hp/cyl forced induction (500 hp in the 4 banger) and 75 hp per cylinder allmotor, which is 300 hp....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well which one is it. Sounds like Carrillo has a marketing problem already. Two Carrillo backers are saying 50hp per cylinder. You are saying 75hp per cylinder. Somebody scan the damn Carrillo book for all of us so we can see the truth.
No wonder you were confused Earl. Everyone on here is too.
BTW, I will admit it finally...I did have sexual relations with that woman
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PocketRockets Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the lightweight rod, as you used , is intended for 125 hp/cyl forced induction (500 hp in the 4 banger) and 75 hp per cylinder allmotor, which is 300 hp....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well which one is it. Sounds like Carrillo has a marketing problem already. Two Carrillo backers are saying 50hp per cylinder. You are saying 75hp per cylinder. Somebody scan the damn Carrillo book for all of us so we can see the truth.
No wonder you were confused Earl. Everyone on here is too.
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Re: Bent Carillos (PocketRockets Racing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PocketRockets Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if you can't see the reasons, then you shouldn't be an engine builder. </TD></TR></TABLE>
who do you think your talking to?? earl has one of the best reputations on this board..
if you can't see the reasons, then you shouldn't be an engine builder. </TD></TR></TABLE>
who do you think your talking to?? earl has one of the best reputations on this board..
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Re: Bent Carillos (earl)
I respect everyone's opinion and Earl especially. I may be biased towards Carrillo since we are a dealer for them and we use them in our builds.
But I will put those factors aside to look at this matter in a mature way.
The way I see it is that, each manufacturer/product is not Invincible to any damage. We all know that.
While Eagles have withstood HP levels in the 600 range. I'm sure there are many success stories with Carrillo as well with the Pro-As. The Pro-A (lightweight) is designed as a light duty Rod, meaning it is not suppose to be used in high HP setups.
The Pro-H rods are the heavy duty rods for setups with higher stress requirements. If you are comparing Manley, then Pro-A would be the Lightweight and the Pro-H would be the Turbo Tuff rods.
From experience, we have found out that you DO get what you pay for. Manley, Carrillo, Cunningham, Pauter do have the BEST machining and tolerances when we do the measurements for bearings. Eagles are the mid range(decent machining). Then you have the lower quality rods that you find out there with no name and look like Eagle H-beams. These totally have mismatched machining and weight on the rods and when you measure for bearings, the sizes are always inconsistent.
As far as rods to choose, as a consumer, choose what you feel is right for your budget and goals. Just keep in mind that better quality is not the best/cheapest price.
Earl has the right to share his experience. You can all take his word for it, but in no way do I think Carrillo is a totally bad company or bad product. Bent rods can happen with any company.
When choosing the rod to use in your block, your engine builder should let you know your options. Ask each part's hp levels, and if there are other options as far as price and quality.
We cant all assume just because of a brand name that it is going to work perfect for everyones application.
also FYI: the different rods avail from Carrillo are:
Pro-A lightweight duty with 5/16 bolts
Pro-SA aka Super As, which have 3/8 bolts
Pro-H are heavy duty rods with 3/8 bolts
Pro-H are used in many 1000+hp 2JZ setups. I believe its actually their most popular import rod that they sell.
But I will put those factors aside to look at this matter in a mature way.
The way I see it is that, each manufacturer/product is not Invincible to any damage. We all know that.
While Eagles have withstood HP levels in the 600 range. I'm sure there are many success stories with Carrillo as well with the Pro-As. The Pro-A (lightweight) is designed as a light duty Rod, meaning it is not suppose to be used in high HP setups.
The Pro-H rods are the heavy duty rods for setups with higher stress requirements. If you are comparing Manley, then Pro-A would be the Lightweight and the Pro-H would be the Turbo Tuff rods.
From experience, we have found out that you DO get what you pay for. Manley, Carrillo, Cunningham, Pauter do have the BEST machining and tolerances when we do the measurements for bearings. Eagles are the mid range(decent machining). Then you have the lower quality rods that you find out there with no name and look like Eagle H-beams. These totally have mismatched machining and weight on the rods and when you measure for bearings, the sizes are always inconsistent.
As far as rods to choose, as a consumer, choose what you feel is right for your budget and goals. Just keep in mind that better quality is not the best/cheapest price.
Earl has the right to share his experience. You can all take his word for it, but in no way do I think Carrillo is a totally bad company or bad product. Bent rods can happen with any company.
When choosing the rod to use in your block, your engine builder should let you know your options. Ask each part's hp levels, and if there are other options as far as price and quality.
We cant all assume just because of a brand name that it is going to work perfect for everyones application.
also FYI: the different rods avail from Carrillo are:
Pro-A lightweight duty with 5/16 bolts
Pro-SA aka Super As, which have 3/8 bolts
Pro-H are heavy duty rods with 3/8 bolts
Pro-H are used in many 1000+hp 2JZ setups. I believe its actually their most popular import rod that they sell.
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Re: Bent Carillos (PocketRockets Racing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PocketRockets Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
its not hating, its getting an accurate understanding of what is really going on.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We all learn from each other. We cant always assume that 1 person's voice of opinion is the right one. We're a tight community here and learning from each other is one way we can all better ourselves.
for all well thought out comments.
its not hating, its getting an accurate understanding of what is really going on.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We all learn from each other. We cant always assume that 1 person's voice of opinion is the right one. We're a tight community here and learning from each other is one way we can all better ourselves.
for all well thought out comments.
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Re: Bent Carillos (exospeedAMcrx)
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We all learn from each other. We cant always assume that 1 person's voice of opinion is the right one. We're a tight community here and learning from each other is one way we can all better ourselves.
for all well thought out comments.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We all learn from each other. We cant always assume that 1 person's voice of opinion is the right one. We're a tight community here and learning from each other is one way we can all better ourselves.
for all well thought out comments.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Bent Carillos (asubennett)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by asubennett »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> No wonder you were confused Earl. Everyone on here is too.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What's new about that?? Everyone on here is always confused
One thing I find interesting.... Ok, so let's assume the 50hp/cylinder thing is right and these rods are intended for 200hp "all-motor" setups. That'd make them a flat out shitty rod.....think about it: 200hp in an all-motor setup? Plllllleeeease that's nothing, even for an all-motor setup!
What's new about that?? Everyone on here is always confused
One thing I find interesting.... Ok, so let's assume the 50hp/cylinder thing is right and these rods are intended for 200hp "all-motor" setups. That'd make them a flat out shitty rod.....think about it: 200hp in an all-motor setup? Plllllleeeease that's nothing, even for an all-motor setup!
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Re: Bent Carillos (PocketRockets Racing)
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what does a good reputation have to do with anything? does it increase the possibility that things will be done in an quality way? not necessarily !!!
Oh, that he should know what rod to use when and what application?
I guess reputation does not determine the quality of the engine build.
I make mistakes too, I test things on my own engines first, not a customers engine. If I screw up on my engine, its my problem.
I even got banned on here on HT for coming closer to the truth on subjects....once they found out i got banned cause I bruised a moderator's ego....then I got unbanned and my rating went up to 101%.........has yours?
what are you contributing to make Honda-tech better?
what do you add to the community?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes those rods were not the correct rods for the application and I dont agree with using them...I also dont agree with people running stock sleeves at 600 hp but people get away with things all the time.....
usually the people that win pro races are the guys that do something different then everyone else......afterwhich everyone else copys them... dont bash the guy for trying something that "shouldnt work"
ohh and the earth is flat 
Modified by D@nnY at 9:00 PM 2/13/2006
what does a good reputation have to do with anything? does it increase the possibility that things will be done in an quality way? not necessarily !!!
Oh, that he should know what rod to use when and what application?
I guess reputation does not determine the quality of the engine build.
I make mistakes too, I test things on my own engines first, not a customers engine. If I screw up on my engine, its my problem.
I even got banned on here on HT for coming closer to the truth on subjects....once they found out i got banned cause I bruised a moderator's ego....then I got unbanned and my rating went up to 101%.........has yours?
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Yes those rods were not the correct rods for the application and I dont agree with using them...I also dont agree with people running stock sleeves at 600 hp but people get away with things all the time.....
usually the people that win pro races are the guys that do something different then everyone else......afterwhich everyone else copys them... dont bash the guy for trying something that "shouldnt work"
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Modified by D@nnY at 9:00 PM 2/13/2006
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Re: Bent Carillos (D@nnY)
i think everyone is missing the point in what earl was trying to make......EVERYONE knows the rods were use for the wrong power application. earl already stated that. he is only ranting about the poor customer service carillo gave him when he called to mention to them their rods bent.
