It means: Rolling On The Floor Laughing My *** Off

And it's keeping me away from doing my work! I'm out of this. lol

 

This is some of the funniest **** I've read in a long damn time. Almost as good as the ASGM thread.

 

Brian(Nerdstrum) I really don't care about american racing, its all NASCAR to me, just learn to drive your car.

 

Wow that's the best comeback I've heard ALL DAY. So well informed, quick, and to the point!

 

Well good for you, but until you learn to drive, don't talk ****.

 

Was that sarcass I sense MrBrite.

 

Well nerdstrum, even though you but into my business, at least your learning how to drive which is better than most of the people who post on here, but if you really want to learn how to drive be at Road Atlanta, Saturday night.

 

Brian you can't drive, and you've got a slow car, don't post here anymore.

 

Ok, back to the real topic of discussion, since you Americans think your so smart, explain to me why drifting isn't faster.

 

moderator?

 

No, they're not "grip" events. They are "get around the track the fastest" events. If drift were in fact faster, they would use it.

Makes no difference if they are 10hp or 1000hp, drifting is not faster on paved surfaces.

Actually, for the record, I'm 25 and race a Mazda RX-7 in the Mid Atlantic Road Race Series. The cars are nearly stock (ie, still in street trim). Tell you what, come up to a MARRS event, I'll loan you my backup car and we'll see if your ***-out-jackassery is faster. If you can beat a 1:32.0 at Summit Point, I'll give you the title.

 

OK, I've had just about enough of this jackass. And before the moderator checks in to lock this baby down let me see if I can hit on a few things.

Takeitintheass: You are one of 2 things. 1) You are an idiot. Or 2) You are one of the usual suspects on this board in disguise. If number 2 is the case, then I congratulate you on pulling one over on us. Come on, tell us who you really are. Good job

I strongly feel, however, #1 is the case: You're an idiot. You are probably 14 and have never driven a car. At age 10 or so, you saw your first "drifting" video or mountain driving or whatever the hell you call it. You were in so utter amazement that you tell all your friends you are going to do that. You are not really in Atlanta right now, nor will you be this weekend. You picked the wrong board to bullshit about going to Road Atlanta on Saturday my friend. I suspect no fewer than 5 people will be on the phone first thing tomorrow morning to Road Atlanta. You see, these guys are on a first name basis with the management. And they will probably post how much **** you're full of when the management tells them they don't know who you are and no one has the track rented Saturday night.

Sliding the *** end of the car is slower. Always. Period. End of story.
Now go away.

The rest of you, I will see at VIR this weekend.

BTW, WTF is a grip event???

 

Road Atlanta? Saturday Night?
You DO realize that "Road" Atlanta is a race track don't you? I doubt it'll be available to you Saturday night. But... since you know so many folks here in Atlanta that run Road Atlanta, I'm probably wrong.

I sincerely hope you're just having fun and being a smartass. If you honestly believe what you are writing, you are one poor misguided ************.

As to why drifting (in the riceboy tail-out jackassery sense of the term) isn't faster... It's because the ******* wheels aren't pointed in the right direction. If the wheels aren't pointed in the right direction, you are scrubbing off speed. If you're scrubbing off speed you aren't going as fast as you could be (ie: not as fast as the better, smarter driver who just passed you).
Don't believe me? Don't accept my knowledge?
Fine, find me a publication, ANY publication on fast driving techniques that states that tail out and countersteering is the preferred way to get around a corner and I'll make a public apology, as well as bow to your superior knowledge and skill.

PS - This is not Club Si. Most of the folks in this forum have multiple years experience driving cars really, really fast around some serious circuits. Not getting all puffed up about our new billet oil filler caps in the KMart parking lot and then racing each other back to our stepdads house.
So, again, if your just being a dick and picking fights, fine. But if you're serious about what you're saying, your're just cheating yourself of valuable knowledge.

I am done here. I won't lock the thread simply because the jackassery is entertaining and it's the off-season.

 

Apparently anything that involves skilled driving in Japan.

OK, now I'm done.

 

Well said MaddMatt and Scott.

I have to agree, at one point tears almost came to my eyes for laughing so hard.

 

anyone ever notice that most drift tracks in japan are layed out that when it's a competition, the track is not complete, ie. it starts and stops, but doesn't connect.

btw, my bro has a video of someone drifting a ZC EF.

 

Hey now, as a Honda derivative, Club Si is not that bad. They actually despise ricery and some can drive. Now as for Hyundais and Saturns...

See you at VIR!


[Modified by 4WDrift, 10:24 PM 12/6/2001]

 

Please, stop. I'm either going to die laughing, or have my judgement be clouded by your incredible incompetency which as far as I'm concerned has been paralleled by none of your predecessors. Nevermind, I'm going for Option A. On top of the intelligent explanations that Roadracer and MaddMatt contributed, I gave a physics explanation of WHY exactly drifting does not work. This was back a long while ago in the thread. Quit playing with your minicars, open your eyes and read that 3 or 4 times. You might actually learn something. As for challenging folks at Road Atlanta, that wasn't a bright move. There are WAY too many Honda-Tech folk on the east coast. You'd have done well to try a track or something in Alaska since there don't seem to be any of us up there. If you talk trash over here, you ARE requesting an overnight-delivery first-thing-in-the-AM-rise-and-shine beatdown. Just to let you be more informed. If you're a trolling regular on here... wow. You are one seriously funny kid, LOL.

 

WRXRacer111, you make me laugh to no end. Do you really find it neccesary to give me a "beatdown" as you call because I think using drift in mountain races is faster? I am sorry to everyone here for having a different opinion or maybe im just "Thinking out of the box"

 

You are welcome to your opinion, Takumi. Just please don't proclaim it as fact against some of the fastest road course drivers in the country. And please don't insult those same folks, especially in this place.

You can "think outside the box" all you want, but... what's "in the box" is the simple physics of how to go fastest around a turn on pavement, which doesn't involve drifting in the way you mean (i.e. "tail-out jackassery", with props to MaddMatt for coining the term).

But talk is cheap, and talk is all you have given us so far. I am tired of all this conjecture, so I am going to offer you a hard-and-fast deal to prove your point. If you take it, we will know you are serious. If you don't, we will know you are full of ****... so, the deal is:

If you are really going to be in Atlanta this weekend, drive a few hours north and get yourself to VIR instead. It is on the NC/VA border, and you can get directions on their website at this link.

Bring your Type R and let me pick the closest car I can find (no more hp than yours, and no less weight than yours, or the deal is off... and we can verify both on the dyno and on the scales beforehand), with whatever driver I choose. We will allow each car to run whatever suspension/wheel/tire setup is available.

Because I am the Event Director this weekend, I will find 15 minutes after lunch either day for the two of you to occupy the track.

You will each take three laps. One to warm up, one hot lap against the clock, and one cooldown lap.

During the competition I will have all 14 corner marshals observing your timed lap, with strict instructions to watch for your "drift" style. If you do not perform this driving style in a statistical majority (i.e. more than 2/3) of the turns on the track, you will be disqualified.

Similarly, I will have those same marshals observing your competitor, watching to make sure he does NOT "drift" in more than 1/3 of the turns on the circuit, or he will be disqualified.

If you can beat that other driver around the 3.3 mile circuit in terms of a raw lap time (i.e. yours is lower), I will give you $1,000 *in cash* to cover your travel expenses and your victory celebration.

If that person can beat you around the 3.3 mile circuit in terms of raw lap time (i.e. his is lower), you will pay the event entry fees in full and stay for the rest of the weekend to practice on the track with that person as your in-car instructor, showing you how/why they just beat you around the track.

Please make sure your car is prepared according to the technical inspection form at this link. Also please wear long pants, a long sleeved shirt, closed-toe shoes, and a helmet (SA95 or SA2000 rated) when you are on the track.

So? What do you think? Put your money where your mouth is, or what?

I'm dead serious,

Jon
804.938.TIRE cell anytime (call me if you wish, I'm not kidding)

 

Im serious as well, being the Assistant event director..

 

I think I figured out the reason why Mr.Takumi(san) is so fired up against everybody. Re-reading this thread, it seems he got the impression that we believe that drifting is basically "crap" and that it doesn't require any kind of skill. Personally I see drifting as an art, not as racing. And it does take quite a lot of know-how and seat time to keep a car in a controlled slide though a corner. It really does put a show on for everyone watching. But that's exactly what it is - "show". Racing on a closed circuit, drifting with the rear stepped out is not the fastest way, period. You sure can do it and people watching will actually praise you for your car control, but when it comes down to lap times it will be slower than driving around the track in a traditional fashion. Watching Road Atlanta races sometimes you see a car come in way too fast in turn 1 and start a slide. If the driver is good enough and is able to catch it, everyone watching jumps on their feet and cheers as they see the car carry the slide and recover going up the hill. It sure looked nice and it showed that the driver knew what he/she was doing behind the wheel, BUT then comes the next competitor who was previously following him and passes him on the inside. And what does this mean? It means that the driver who just recovered from the slide was obviously slower through that turn. I am impressed at any driver who can save a big slide and keep the car going, not because they picked up time in that segment but because he was good enough to catch the slide and recover. If the driver would have been any less "skilled" he/she would have spun. Those of us who have experience an "unwanted" oversteer slide know what it takes to recover from it. It's not that easy.

So to summarize, drifting is NOT faster on a racetrack. I think we ALL realize that. It does however require a lot of skill to be able to overcome an unwanted slide and not spin out and hit a wall instead. The drifting competition I've seen in Japanese videos is an art form in my opinion. Those guys really do feel exactly what the car is doing under them to keep those cars in an angled drift just as they want it. I bet Kleinubing would be very good at drifting competitions as he is a master of car control. The difference is that he does also know how to take everything out of the car when it come to speed on a racetrack - and that is by having it pointed in the right direction, not by sliding and countersteering in the turns. Knowing two friends who both have pro rally experience, throwing a car into drifts going into turns is ONLY beneficial when rallying downhill. This is the only exception on dry pavement. This is because they do not need to brake as much in a straight line leading to a corner because the drift will scrub off their extra speed. So, basically their entry speed will be faster than taking that same turn conventionally and that's where a little time is gained in these rally stages. On a race track this is not the case and so drifting will still scrub off your speed, but why would you want that if you are not going downhill? You will only hurt exit speed. I might not have made any sense describing this rallying downhill, but that's the idea that I've heard from these two guys (one of them being my co-driver ).

I was just taking a break now from some work, so I though I would write something constructive on this thread.


[Modified by Hracer, 3:57 AM 12/7/2001]

 

I think the challenge has been given.... a war of words will win you no battle TakumiInTokyo. I don't know if ettiqite in Japan is of a lower standard, I don not belive so, but insulting us will not help you.
Many of the drivers in here are proven and a credited track racers and you have no creditdation beyond your own words. I ask that you do come to VIR and either teach or be taught. There will be no hard feelings if you have the ***** to arrive

 

slick tracks rule!!

 

It never occured to me that he might not realize Road Atlanta is a racetrack, but some Road in Atlanta where people go to race. That may be the funniest thing about this entire thread...

And the fact the track is not in Atlanta makes it even funnier.

I'm done here. See you peeps in the a.m. at the track. Bring rain gear.

BTW, I may kick in $100 for the guy just to show up to VIR.

Peace Out!