LS needs more speed
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Re: LS needs more speed (kleanlscivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
thats what i meant, it was a very long day at work yesterday. its not very cheap but it will help the moter breath a lot better than just a stock one. like i said you cant really do anything really cheap to the motor and expect a big gain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well next time you rag on someone for being an '07, make sure you know what you are talking about.
thats what i meant, it was a very long day at work yesterday. its not very cheap but it will help the moter breath a lot better than just a stock one. like i said you cant really do anything really cheap to the motor and expect a big gain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well next time you rag on someone for being an '07, make sure you know what you are talking about.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABCVTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't realize boosting a motor was so easy these days, not to mention maintaining a boosted motor. I must have been cryogenically frozen for the past 15 years.
I say keep the LS. Run necessary tests to make sure its fine. Get some higher CR pistons, get the head Ported and Polished, 3-angle valve job, Crower Cams and call it a day. I'd also get a P8R head if you don't already have one.
Is this going to give you 200whp+? No.
Is it going to be cheaper than a turbo? Yes.
Is it going to be more reliable than a turbo? Yes.
Is it going to be easier to maintain than a turbo? Yes.
Is it still going to be pretty fast? Yes.
I'm not an LS-T hater. I'm slowly starting to put together an LS motor that I will be building for boost gradually. Project thread will be up when I have more moulah, parts, and time.
I'm a B16 Hater hater.</TD></TR></TABLE>
turbo is a pretty big commitment that many people dont realize BUT when its properly maintained it will be reliable.
the only problem i see getting all those n/a parts for an LS is that it wont give him much for all that he spent. high comp. pistons, cams, p&p are not cheap by any means. with everything you named it might be possible to do a turbo setup and get much more out of that.
I say keep the LS. Run necessary tests to make sure its fine. Get some higher CR pistons, get the head Ported and Polished, 3-angle valve job, Crower Cams and call it a day. I'd also get a P8R head if you don't already have one.
Is this going to give you 200whp+? No.
Is it going to be cheaper than a turbo? Yes.
Is it going to be more reliable than a turbo? Yes.
Is it going to be easier to maintain than a turbo? Yes.
Is it still going to be pretty fast? Yes.
I'm not an LS-T hater. I'm slowly starting to put together an LS motor that I will be building for boost gradually. Project thread will be up when I have more moulah, parts, and time.
I'm a B16 Hater hater.</TD></TR></TABLE>
turbo is a pretty big commitment that many people dont realize BUT when its properly maintained it will be reliable.
the only problem i see getting all those n/a parts for an LS is that it wont give him much for all that he spent. high comp. pistons, cams, p&p are not cheap by any means. with everything you named it might be possible to do a turbo setup and get much more out of that.
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A decent B series turbo kit is close to $2,000, unless you piece your own together and OP doesn't seem like he knows enough about turbos to do that. He's also going to need to get rid of his current exhaust and get a new 3" exhaust. And if he's turboing he's definitely going to need a rebuild, and a much more thorough tune ($$).
How is that going to be cheaper than Pistons ($270), Crower 403 Cams ($450), Port and Polish ($750), 3-angle valve job ($75), and a tune($300).
As compared to a decent turbo kit ($1500-$2000), new 3" exhaust ($350-$650), rebuild ($300-$400??), more expensive tune ($300-$500). And if he isn't doing any the work himself, he's much more likely to expletive up with a turbo kit.
And with that NA build he should still be making some pretty damn good power and torque. Easily 180whp.
Modified by ABCVTEC at 2:27 PM 6/6/2007
How is that going to be cheaper than Pistons ($270), Crower 403 Cams ($450), Port and Polish ($750), 3-angle valve job ($75), and a tune($300).
As compared to a decent turbo kit ($1500-$2000), new 3" exhaust ($350-$650), rebuild ($300-$400??), more expensive tune ($300-$500). And if he isn't doing any the work himself, he's much more likely to expletive up with a turbo kit.
And with that NA build he should still be making some pretty damn good power and torque. Easily 180whp.
Modified by ABCVTEC at 2:27 PM 6/6/2007
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Re: LS needs more speed (97LSTeggy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97LSTeggy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Well next time you rag on someone for being an '07, make sure you know what you are talking about.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i know it takes only one header, i simply put a s at the end of the word. why the expletive would i say to put 2 sets of headers on a 4cyl motor?
Well next time you rag on someone for being an '07, make sure you know what you are talking about.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i know it takes only one header, i simply put a s at the end of the word. why the expletive would i say to put 2 sets of headers on a 4cyl motor?
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Re: LS needs more speed (kleanlscivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABCVTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A decent B series turbo kit is close to $2,000, unless you piece your own together and OP doesn't seem like he knows enough about turbos to do that. He's also going to need to get rid of his current exhaust and get a new 3" exhaust. And if he's turboing he's definitely going to need a rebuild, and a much more thorough tune ($$).
How is that going to be cheaper than Pistons ($150) Crower 403 Cams ($450), Port and Polish ($750), 3-angle valve job ($75), and a tune($300).
As compared to a decent turbo kit ($1500-$2000), new 3" exhaust ($350-$650), rebuild ($300-$400??), more expensive tune ($300-$500). And if he isn't doing any the work himself, he's much more likely to expletive up with a turbo kit.
And with that NA build he should still be making some pretty damn good power and torque. Easily 180whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what kind of pistons are you pricing out there? stock pistons?
How is that going to be cheaper than Pistons ($150) Crower 403 Cams ($450), Port and Polish ($750), 3-angle valve job ($75), and a tune($300).
As compared to a decent turbo kit ($1500-$2000), new 3" exhaust ($350-$650), rebuild ($300-$400??), more expensive tune ($300-$500). And if he isn't doing any the work himself, he's much more likely to expletive up with a turbo kit.
And with that NA build he should still be making some pretty damn good power and torque. Easily 180whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what kind of pistons are you pricing out there? stock pistons?
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Re: LS needs more speed (kleanlscivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what kind of pistons are you pricing out there? stock pistons?</TD></TR></TABLE>
CTR pistons are $169.99 +$100 for the piston rings.
JDM ITR pistons are $169.00 + $100 for the piston rings.
Okay so maybe more like $170 for the pistons, and $270 if you want the rings with it. These prices are from HMO.
what kind of pistons are you pricing out there? stock pistons?</TD></TR></TABLE>
CTR pistons are $169.99 +$100 for the piston rings.
JDM ITR pistons are $169.00 + $100 for the piston rings.
Okay so maybe more like $170 for the pistons, and $270 if you want the rings with it. These prices are from HMO.
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Re: LS needs more speed (ABCVTEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABCVTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
CTR pistons are $169.99 +$100 for the piston rings.
JDM ITR pistons are $169.00 + $100 for the piston rings.
Okay so maybe more like $170 for the pistons, and $270 if you want the rings with it. These prices are from HMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wouldnt he need the rings? and how bout some bearings? a new headgasket, while he is there do timing belt water pump and all because of the mileage?
CTR pistons are $169.99 +$100 for the piston rings.
JDM ITR pistons are $169.00 + $100 for the piston rings.
Okay so maybe more like $170 for the pistons, and $270 if you want the rings with it. These prices are from HMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wouldnt he need the rings? and how bout some bearings? a new headgasket, while he is there do timing belt water pump and all because of the mileage?
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Re: LS needs more speed (kleanlscivic)
Yes but I'm sure you can find them cheaper than on HMO. So $270 for pistons and rings. That's still not that bad.
Also before someone else notices a little mistake up there I made: I meant if he is doing the work himself, he's more likely to mess his motor up when installing a turbo.
Also before someone else notices a little mistake up there I made: I meant if he is doing the work himself, he's more likely to mess his motor up when installing a turbo.
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Re: LS needs more speed (kleanlscivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
wouldnt he need the rings? and how bout some bearings? a new headgasket, while he is there do timing belt water pump and all because of the mileage?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He would want to do a newer headgasket, timing belt, and water pump if he were to turbo it as well. I was only comparing the things that are different between the two routes.
wouldnt he need the rings? and how bout some bearings? a new headgasket, while he is there do timing belt water pump and all because of the mileage?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He would want to do a newer headgasket, timing belt, and water pump if he were to turbo it as well. I was only comparing the things that are different between the two routes.
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Re: LS needs more speed (ABCVTEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABCVTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
He would want to do a newer headgasket, timing belt, and water pump if he were to turbo it as well. I was only comparing the things that are different between the two routes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yea, man i would say go with his route it will be cheaper and more reliable in the end
He would want to do a newer headgasket, timing belt, and water pump if he were to turbo it as well. I was only comparing the things that are different between the two routes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yea, man i would say go with his route it will be cheaper and more reliable in the end
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Re: LS needs more speed (kleanlscivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i know it takes only one header, i simply put a s at the end of the word. why the expletive would i say to put 2 sets of headers on a 4cyl motor?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats why i asked, and you got all pissy. There are a lot of people on here with high post counts that talk out of there ***.
i know it takes only one header, i simply put a s at the end of the word. why the expletive would i say to put 2 sets of headers on a 4cyl motor?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats why i asked, and you got all pissy. There are a lot of people on here with high post counts that talk out of there ***.
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Re: LS needs more speed (97LSTeggy)
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Thats why i asked, and you got all pissy. There are a lot of people on here with high post counts that talk out of there ***. </TD></TR></TABLE>
there are a lot of '07 members then dont read a whole post just like you did and instantly started talking crap man
Thats why i asked, and you got all pissy. There are a lot of people on here with high post counts that talk out of there ***.
</TD></TR></TABLE>there are a lot of '07 members then dont read a whole post just like you did and instantly started talking crap man
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Re: LS needs more speed (kleanlscivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there are a lot of '07 members then dont read a whole post just like you did and instantly started talking crap man </TD></TR></TABLE>
I read the whole post man. I don't know what that has to do with giving out incorrect information(even if it was an honest mistake). Thats why I asked I wanted to make sure you knew what you were talking about. Stop whining.
there are a lot of '07 members then dont read a whole post just like you did and instantly started talking crap man
</TD></TR></TABLE>I read the whole post man. I don't know what that has to do with giving out incorrect information(even if it was an honest mistake). Thats why I asked I wanted to make sure you knew what you were talking about. Stop whining.
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Re: LS needs more speed (97LSTeggy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97LSTeggy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thats why i asked, and you got all pissy. There are a lot of people on here with high post counts that talk out of there ***. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I would love to see you name someone with 3000+ posts that "talks out of there ***"
Thats why i asked, and you got all pissy. There are a lot of people on here with high post counts that talk out of there ***. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I would love to see you name someone with 3000+ posts that "talks out of there ***"
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Re: LS needs more speed (St Jimmy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by St Jimmy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I would love to see you name someone with 3000+ posts that "talks out of there ***"</TD></TR></TABLE>
i will admit i messed up i accidently put a S on the end of a work that shouldnt have been there, thats my mistake
I would love to see you name someone with 3000+ posts that "talks out of there ***"</TD></TR></TABLE>
i will admit i messed up i accidently put a S on the end of a work that shouldnt have been there, thats my mistake
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Re: LS needs more speed (St Jimmy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by St Jimmy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I would love to see you name someone with 3000+ posts that "talks out of there ***"</TD></TR></TABLE>
All I was trying to say is post count does not equal validity.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will admit i messed up i accidently put a S on the end of a work that shouldnt have been there, thats my mistake</TD></TR></TABLE>
I apologize for jumping to conclusions. You have added some good information to this thread.
I would love to see you name someone with 3000+ posts that "talks out of there ***"</TD></TR></TABLE>
All I was trying to say is post count does not equal validity.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleanlscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will admit i messed up i accidently put a S on the end of a work that shouldnt have been there, thats my mistake</TD></TR></TABLE>
I apologize for jumping to conclusions. You have added some good information to this thread.
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Rebuild the motor, your going to spend more then a grand to get a new motor. Just rebuld it. Take out your motor with engine hosee, take of tranny, take off head, take the block to a shope and they well clean it and polish it for like under 500, get type-r piston that fit Ls, and then git New barrings, put tranny back on and head. and go Ls V-tech, and your car is basicly brand spanking New, and it is fast. Go gett' m kid.
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