S&W and me VS custom cage = huge lesson learned
11-06-2008, 11:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
By that same token, I paid about $300 for a full NHRA 10pt chromoly cage that fits very good in my car. I built it. Does that mean we should compare cages based on what I have in mine? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Congrats! But you were the one who stated that all you would do would be build roll cages if the profit was 500%. Well if you built one for yourself for $300 and you considered $2000 a decnt deal, then maybe you should just build cages.
$300 x 500% = $1500 Dude you could make like 666% profit!
Seems pretty lucrative!
By that same token, I paid about $300 for a full NHRA 10pt chromoly cage that fits very good in my car. I built it. Does that mean we should compare cages based on what I have in mine? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Congrats! But you were the one who stated that all you would do would be build roll cages if the profit was 500%. Well if you built one for yourself for $300 and you considered $2000 a decnt deal, then maybe you should just build cages.
$300 x 500% = $1500 Dude you could make like 666% profit!
Seems pretty lucrative!
11-06-2008, 11:23 AM
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Unfortunately, my time is not free. I only figured it as free because you did. The world doesn't work that way though.
Whatever, i'm glad you're happy with your $350 cage. You apparently don't get it. My point was don't tell this guy he got ripped off on his cage because someone did yours and didn't charge you labor on it. That's not how the world normally works.
Whatever, i'm glad you're happy with your $350 cage. You apparently don't get it. My point was don't tell this guy he got ripped off on his cage because someone did yours and didn't charge you labor on it. That's not how the world normally works.
11-06-2008, 11:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by weavertime1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't you personally think that $1800 labor is a bit steep? I am being realistic here...and just for the record I would have paid as much as $700 for my cage, but I am not going to pay the guy more than he asked?</TD></TR></TABLE>
My labor rate is $85/hr. That puts it at barely over 20 hours. I can't do a full 10pt cage the way we do them, out the door, in 20 hours. We tuck all our cages as close as possible to everything. We lower the cages after tacking and weld all the tops 100%. Paint the cage. Raise it back up and weld in 100%. All tig welded. Maybe i'm inefficient, but i can't do it in 20 hours. So no, i don't think it's a bit steep.
My labor rate is $85/hr. That puts it at barely over 20 hours. I can't do a full 10pt cage the way we do them, out the door, in 20 hours. We tuck all our cages as close as possible to everything. We lower the cages after tacking and weld all the tops 100%. Paint the cage. Raise it back up and weld in 100%. All tig welded. Maybe i'm inefficient, but i can't do it in 20 hours. So no, i don't think it's a bit steep.
11-06-2008, 12:04 PM
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Re: (tony1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
My labor rate is $85/hr. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats to cheap IMO.
$1800 is a fair price for the labor of a 10pt cage. We have raised our prices as of the first of november 1st and now charge $2200 for a full 10pt in a honda/acura with materials and then you have your add on's like, windows nets, kill switches and parachute setup etc. etc. People who tell me that we charge to much i tell them to go somewhere else.
There is really not alot of money to be made when it comes to cages/chassis work. The amount of time you put into it you never get paid for. When you take a look at the cages that roll out of my shop and compare them to others you will see the difference in the time spent on the fitment of everything compared to others.
My labor rate is $85/hr. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats to cheap IMO.
$1800 is a fair price for the labor of a 10pt cage. We have raised our prices as of the first of november 1st and now charge $2200 for a full 10pt in a honda/acura with materials and then you have your add on's like, windows nets, kill switches and parachute setup etc. etc. People who tell me that we charge to much i tell them to go somewhere else.
There is really not alot of money to be made when it comes to cages/chassis work. The amount of time you put into it you never get paid for. When you take a look at the cages that roll out of my shop and compare them to others you will see the difference in the time spent on the fitment of everything compared to others.
11-06-2008, 12:56 PM
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Unfortunately, my time is not free. I only figured it as free because you did. The world doesn't work that way though. ???????
We never said that our time was free we paid someone for his time to build a cage for us so you would have to factor in the time it would take you to build a cage after the bar. Like i said Im not out there trying to rip on what a guy paid for his cage but after looking at it and looking at mine id feel much more comfortable in my 300 cage than his 1600. I am also taking mine on a dirt racetrack and doing about 70 with people trying to drive into the side of me so the 1 bar across the driver side door wouldn't do anything for me.
We never said that our time was free we paid someone for his time to build a cage for us so you would have to factor in the time it would take you to build a cage after the bar. Like i said Im not out there trying to rip on what a guy paid for his cage but after looking at it and looking at mine id feel much more comfortable in my 300 cage than his 1600. I am also taking mine on a dirt racetrack and doing about 70 with people trying to drive into the side of me so the 1 bar across the driver side door wouldn't do anything for me.
11-06-2008, 02:40 PM
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go to any good general contractor, mechanical contractor, car dealership, auto mechanic, carpenter etc.. and the labor rate will be $80 + an hour. why should it be any different for guys trying to make a living in the chassis/fab/tuning business???
theres always gonna be the guys willing to do the same job for $20 an hour, and their work shows it, when you have an issue, they are no were to be found. you can talk about exceptions to the rule all you want, but it doesnt change the facts that things cost money, and good things always cost more money.
theres always gonna be the guys willing to do the same job for $20 an hour, and their work shows it, when you have an issue, they are no were to be found. you can talk about exceptions to the rule all you want, but it doesnt change the facts that things cost money, and good things always cost more money.
11-06-2008, 03:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speeddave »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go to any good general contractor, mechanical contractor, car dealership, auto mechanic, carpenter etc.. and the labor rate will be $80 + an hour. why should it be any different for guys trying to make a living in the chassis/fab/tuning business???
theres always gonna be the guys willing to do the same job for $20 an hour, and their work shows it, when you have an issue, they are no were to be found. you can talk about exceptions to the rule all you want, but it doesnt change the facts that things cost money, and good things always cost more money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yep, which is why i hate it when you givethem the invoice.
and you get
"but the XXXXXX is only worth $XXXXX"
im not a fabricator by trade, but i get that alot. like your time should be discounted becuase you're working on something that is not worth alot
theres always gonna be the guys willing to do the same job for $20 an hour, and their work shows it, when you have an issue, they are no were to be found. you can talk about exceptions to the rule all you want, but it doesnt change the facts that things cost money, and good things always cost more money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yep, which is why i hate it when you givethem the invoice.
and you get
"but the XXXXXX is only worth $XXXXX"
im not a fabricator by trade, but i get that alot. like your time should be discounted becuase you're working on something that is not worth alot
11-06-2008, 03:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by weavertime1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't you personally think that $1800 labor is a bit steep? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Of course not man!
Lets see... you spend time cleaning , grinding , bending, notching , then welding upside down and you come back and please tell us what you think that work is worth. I bet 1800 will seem like a deal.
Of course not man!
Lets see... you spend time cleaning , grinding , bending, notching , then welding upside down and you come back and please tell us what you think that work is worth. I bet 1800 will seem like a deal.
11-06-2008, 03:32 PM
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time is everything...
you tell people you build race cars for a living, and they are like "whoa that is cool, what did you do yesterday?"
and you say, i spent all day building a bracket or fixing the welder or sharpening the bit on the tube notcher.
isnt that the way it goes?
by the way, those freakin bits for the tube notcher are not fun to buy. they last a long time, and can be resharpened, but once its time to buy a new one, there goes the profit on that job, haha.
you tell people you build race cars for a living, and they are like "whoa that is cool, what did you do yesterday?"
and you say, i spent all day building a bracket or fixing the welder or sharpening the bit on the tube notcher.
isnt that the way it goes?
by the way, those freakin bits for the tube notcher are not fun to buy. they last a long time, and can be resharpened, but once its time to buy a new one, there goes the profit on that job, haha.
11-06-2008, 03:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SwappedTURBOegg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well hey, im waiting on these pix of this elusive cage that supposedly owns mine...
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Saturday.
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Saturday.
11-07-2008, 03:58 PM
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Here are some pics of my car it might not be real tight but i didn't ask him to make it tight or else it would have been he also made me a dash and got me a plate to go over my sunroof
Nice safe cage i actually paid 280 for mine and it was done in two days
Nice safe cage i actually paid 280 for mine and it was done in two days
11-07-2008, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtRacer124
Here are some pics of my car it might not be real tight
Not to mention mine came with window net,parachute, molly tubes tig welded and will get me my 8.50 sticker witch i highly doubt yours will.
just because you have a bunch of bars everywhere doesn't make it better than mine or anyone else for that matter.
11-07-2008, 05:38 PM
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I would like to add. if i had a beater race car or something i would be all about that $280.
in all honestly my car is far too nice and putting something like that in it would decrees the value if anything.
in all honestly my car is far too nice and putting something like that in it would decrees the value if anything.
11-07-2008, 07:23 PM
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holy ****!
except for the fact its like ERW tube i think.
he did a good job for 300 bucks!
I mean I wouldn't put some bars the way he did but I'm sure if you tell him what to do he could.
don't really know what to say lol
Modified by essex at 8:29 PM 11/7/2008
except for the fact its like ERW tube i think.
he did a good job for 300 bucks!
I mean I wouldn't put some bars the way he did but I'm sure if you tell him what to do he could.
don't really know what to say lol
Modified by essex at 8:29 PM 11/7/2008
11-08-2008, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by essex
holy ****!
except for the fact its like ERW tube i think.
he did a good job for 300 bucks!
I mean I wouldn't put some bars the way he did but I'm sure if you tell him what to do he could.
don't really know what to say lol
Modified by essex at 8:29 PM 11/7/2008
except for the fact its like ERW tube i think.
he did a good job for 300 bucks!
I mean I wouldn't put some bars the way he did but I'm sure if you tell him what to do he could.
don't really know what to say lol
Modified by essex at 8:29 PM 11/7/2008
11-08-2008, 09:52 AM
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i payed 1900 more than you and to me its 100% worth it for the cage to fit right.
Not to mention mine came with window net,parachute, molly tubes tig welded and will get me my 8.50 sticker witch i highly doubt yours will.
just because you have a bunch of bars everywhere doesn't make it better than mine or anyone else for that matter.
Well mine came with the window net also just done have a pic and its 1 1/2 by .095 Tubing and i dont need a 8.5 sticker i need mine to hold up to idiots hitting me in corners without hitting me and did i ever say my cage was better than yours??? I NOPE i just said that was a lot of money!!!
But i guess you do get what you pay for our cages are for 2 completely different ways of racing Im going in a dirt circle while your going in a straight line
Not to mention mine came with window net,parachute, molly tubes tig welded and will get me my 8.50 sticker witch i highly doubt yours will.
just because you have a bunch of bars everywhere doesn't make it better than mine or anyone else for that matter.
Well mine came with the window net also just done have a pic and its 1 1/2 by .095 Tubing and i dont need a 8.5 sticker i need mine to hold up to idiots hitting me in corners without hitting me and did i ever say my cage was better than yours??? I NOPE i just said that was a lot of money!!!
But i guess you do get what you pay for our cages are for 2 completely different ways of racing Im going in a dirt circle while your going in a straight line
11-08-2008, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtRacer124
Nice safe cage i actually paid 280 for mine and it was done in two days
I would have positioned those door bars a good 10 inches lower that way if your door is not smashed in you can at least open the door and roll out...Not bad though...
11-08-2008, 11:12 AM
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Nice cage for the price, but have fun climbing out the window when your on fire! I would have positioned those door bars a good 10 inches lower that way if your door is not smashed in you can at least open the door and roll out...
Not bad though...
Thanks please keep in mind im on a dirtrace track racing in corners with people right on my side smashing into me.
I would have positioned those door bars a good 10 inches lower?? Y and the whole pt is to climb in through the windows its more fun that way you feel like a real racer haha but thats also like telling nascar there bars are to high and my doors are bolted shut and i have no door handles
see and than they want you to bolt the dr shut but pass side has to be operable!
Not bad though...
Thanks please keep in mind im on a dirtrace track racing in corners with people right on my side smashing into me.
I would have positioned those door bars a good 10 inches lower?? Y and the whole pt is to climb in through the windows its more fun that way you feel like a real racer haha but thats also like telling nascar there bars are to high and my doors are bolted shut and i have no door handles
see and than they want you to bolt the dr shut but pass side has to be operable!
11-08-2008, 11:45 AM
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Makes much more sense now... Interesting, I'm glad to see hondas venturing into sports like dirt track racing!
Good for you bro!
Good for you bro!
11-10-2008, 04:07 PM
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Thanks guys it is fun but it sucks how bad some of the other drivers are 
That was after the 3rd wk or so into it if i could get the pic of the start of the crash up ill try and post it later.. that cost me 200 at the frame straightener!
That was after the 3rd wk or so into it if i could get the pic of the start of the crash up ill try and post it later.. that cost me 200 at the frame straightener!
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