<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snoochtodanooch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you would design your engine first then your trans. Unless you want to design your engine to bolt up to the POS crv trans. Why don't you work on the impossibilities of the design first, like the engine block. </TD></TR></TABLE> I honestly think that is a matter of less concern right now. BTW I just wannna see how the CRV MT differs from the AT, I'm not putting a CRV trans on a V8K-series. I like wasting money but not on transmissions that get blown.

The block is the fairly easy part, honestly. A lot of it is repeating engineering and adding cylinders. I also need to make a crank that holds all 8 pistons but has a timing gear on both sides then the flywheel mount plate outside one of those. I will definitely have these areas seperated, however. I'm more concerned with the overall concept, as far as what OE Honda parts I plan on using. I think an S2K motor could bolt right up to the SH-AWD rear, the only problem then is delivering the torque adjustments side-to-side like it is supposed to. I REALLY need the RL FSM. I'll have to make a call and order one up.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I first thought you were trying to copy that Blue Man Group then I was like who are the yellow *******. So are you blue or yellow bro? LOL!</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Well I've come to the conclusion that you are a waste of time. I'll make sure to watch for updates during the next ten years.

Edit: good luck with stuffing the timing belt between the block and the trans. There are two more solutions you should be able to come up with that would work better but be more time consuming. Good luck.


Modified by I4sillypwr at 6:28 PM 5/4/2005

 

lol

 

Is there anyway that I can un-subscribe from threads, so this stops getting bumped? I came to the conclusion a long time ago that a 350k civic is a waste of time.

 

do you know aneything abuot fluid dynamics?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cstay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you know aneything abuot fluid dynamics?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats for suckers like me who want to waste their time with a degree and a cubicle job!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 cam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Thats for suckers like me who want to waste their time with a degree and a cubicle job! </TD></TR></TABLE>

genuinely though, i am not even gonna fake the funk on that, fluid dynamics is gonna be interesting, i understand the concept but i picture it being pretty complex and difficult.

 

if you dont understand fluid dynamics i dont think you will be able to build an engine from scratch engines are probally 80% fluid dynamics inorder to make power every single part you put on needs to match eachother at the exact right spot. building an intake manifold especially a dual stage there is ALOT of that involved.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cstay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you dont understand fluid dynamics i dont think you will be able to build an engine from scratch engines are probally 80% fluid dynamics inorder to make power every single part you put on needs to match eachother at the exact right spot. building an intake manifold especially a dual stage there is ALOT of that involved. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think everyone should just understand right now - if I may be so bold - that this kid won't be doing anything other than making drawings of his "B8" in the lines of his notebook paper as he daydreams during GED class. No point in arguing, after all:

You cannot disprove a negative.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Look back at the post where I mentioned the dual-stage IM, the Vtec engagement will also occur in two stages. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow... Without even having a block designed how can you know if you will even need a dual-stage IM...


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Plus being of Honda origion it will be a rev-happy motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You don't know anything about cars do you... There are many factors that affect your rev-ability, and having the name Honda on the motor is not one of those factors...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think everyone should just understand right now - if I may be so bold - that this kid won't be doing anything other than making drawings of his "B8" in the lines of his notebook paper as he daydreams during GED class. No point in arguing, after all:

You cannot disprove a negative.</TD></TR></TABLE> WTF is that supposed to mean? Oh BTW I have been graduated from HS for years now, so this entire post really makes no sense. Where is the technical backing to disprove my idea can work? Oh that's right, you don't have any, my bad. You just posted because your jelious that your feble mind can't think of anything more than what your hungry for. I am aware of the concepts of fluid dynamics. Now I'm no fluid dynamics professor at MIT or anything but I understand the material. Obviously that comes in to nearly 100% of this design project.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I4sillypwr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I've come to the conclusion that you are a waste of time. I'll make sure to watch for updates during the next ten years.

Edit: good luck with stuffing the timing belt between the block and the trans. There are two more solutions you should be able to come up with that would work better but be more time consuming. Good luck.


Modified by I4sillypwr at 6:28 PM 5/4/2005</TD></TR></TABLE> BTW it wont be "stuffed" there will be a sort of timing cover that is like a back section of the block. This is what I'm running with right now because it would be more of a pain in the *** to mod a K-series head to flip the cams etc.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ajax &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Is there anyway that I can un-subscribe from threads, so this stops getting bumped? I came to the conclusion a long time ago that a 350k civic is a waste of time. </TD></TR></TABLE> Yeah just don't pay attention, but seriously, click the subscribe and uncheck the Watch this topic in my watched topics... Then I don't have to worry about you posting mindless nonsense here again?

Very few people have been discussing the technical aspect of the idea. Most have been discussing how I'm such a moron for even thinking of it, that I'm wasting my time, that it can't be done etc. PROVE IT!!! Or at least give some thought to why it is not going to happen. Look guys, it's my time, not yours, I'll "waste" it how I see fit. I created this topic to hopefully get some more ideas so I'm not wasting my time trying something that will not be functional. Two minds work better than one, but if people posting aren't using their brain power then I'm still on page 1 aren't I. So please, only post if you have some TECHNICAL issue you would like to discuss, otherwise unsubscribe from this post and forget it ever existed. I thank everyone, and I mean everyone for taking their time to read these 6 pages of posts and expressing their opinions. I just want to focus on the nitty gritty, not how big of a tool I am or how stupid I am.

 

I call attention *****, some ppl tell him why not some tell him how to, i told him both and yet he doesn't listen to either, except get attention which is what he wants, so kill this tread and wake up and smell reality. EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!IM COOL, and were like ooooooaakay.STOP ITS OVER with dreams of building something that you think will get you respect. even if you try it will take years then ppl will forget and move on with there lives and you'll be stuck on the street with a insanely fast car but no one to race cause everybody is driving Honda civic si hover crafts.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam1am26 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Wow... Without even having a block designed how can you know if you will even need a dual-stage IM...


You don't know anything about cars do you... There are many factors that affect your rev-ability, and having the name Honda on the motor is not one of those factors...</TD></TR></TABLE> If I use VTEC which I will the dual-stage IM is the only way to go. I do, obviously I don't think just because it is Honda parts that the motor will rev to 10K. No I will BUILD it to be that way. Any point to this?? Or are you just bored?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h kid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I call attention *****, some ppl tell him why not some tell him how to, i told him both and yet he doesn't listen to either, except get attention which is what he wants, so kill this tread and wake up and smell reality. EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!IM COOL, and were like ooooooaakay.STOP ITS OVER with dreams of building something that you think will get you respect. even if you try it will take years then ppl will forget and move on with there lives and you'll be stuck on the street with a insanely fast car but no one to race cause everybody is driving Honda civic si hover crafts. </TD></TR></TABLE> Bro I appreciate your input, but this is in no way intended to get anyone attention, you don't know me, I don't know you. I could give a **** if I was sitting here talking to myself. My goal is to consult with people who have had differrent experiences than I have, that's all. I liked the tube-frame idea. This may or may not happen. Who knows. I will never build anything in my life to gain the respect of others, I really don't care. I build things to give myself the sense of completion, like "Thank God that **** is finally over.." I don't care if nobody ever sees it beside me. Their loss in my eyes, because it will be bad *** IMO. Forgive me for being a dreamer, I will not change for you or anyone else. It is in my nature to dream big and push hard towards those dreams and ambitions. Don't hate the player, hate the game my friend.

 

im not really being a hater, and have nothing against you building this but you have to be realistic, you don't have the funds or the help to build this,from what I've read. it'll be much easy to build something like what I've suggested to you, be open to new ideas that are easy er to accomplish. just because you can build it doesn't mean its smart an cost effective. I mean the whole idea of this import generation is swapping bigger engines into feeble cars for a cost effective price. we normally get the speed of a 80thousand dollar car for as cheap as 8 grand, thats the point of us doing this swaps, there smart. we all cant afford porchas so we do the next best thing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h kid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not really being a hater, and have nothing against you building this but you have to be realistic, you don't have the funds or the help to build this,from what I've read. it'll be much easy to build something like what I've suggested to you, be open to new ideas that are easy er to accomplish. just because you can build it doesn't mean its smart an cost effective. I mean the whole idea of this import generation is swapping bigger engines into feeble cars for a cost effective price. we normally get the speed of a 80thousand dollar car for as cheap as 8 grand, thats the point of us doing this swaps, there smart. we all cant afford porchas so we do the next best thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>Very well put, I completely agree with this statement. I dropped a little more than the $8K mentioned in my EJ and I have beaten several M3's in her. So I know exactly where your coming from. I do however have much bigger fish to fry before I even consider doing anything with this project besides thought and design. Before I spend a penny on this I will already have an established company in the auto customization biz. Currently the focus of my attention is a system to integrate a laptop (or other small CPU) in to a vehicle to control nearly everything. My 93 will have features beyond what comes in '05 luxury cars. I wont go in to details there because that will only open me up for un-needed flaming, which I have already gotten enough of. This project IS in the works and I have already put about 20 hours in to building the GUI/Engine from the ground up. Not an easy thing to do. A lot of this system has to do with entertainment but another more important aspect is the real-time programmable ECU control and data-logging. I've been doing tons of research on http://www.pgmfi.org to learn more about programmable fuel injection and how to **** with it. Like I said this is only an idea, I wanted to heated and technical discussion that would make me think because I was sick of helping newbs figure out how to jump their service check connector. ("Just shove a ****** wire in there!!") I found myself saying more than I like to. Once I have money coming out of my ears then I will build the K60Ri, until then it is only a dream. I just wanted to give it a little more thought and get others views on the idea because I will NOT be able to accomplish it alone..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF is that supposed to mean? Oh BTW I have been graduated from HS for years now, so this entire post really makes no sense. Where is the technical backing to disprove my idea can work? Oh that's right, you don't have any, my bad. You just posted because your jelious that your feble mind can't think of anything more than what your hungry for. I am aware of the concepts of fluid dynamics. Now I'm no fluid dynamics professor at MIT or anything but I understand the material. Obviously that comes in to nearly 100% of this design project.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can hardly speak English and you're attempting to call my mind "feble". It's feeble, by the way.

Obviously you have no idea of the concept of "disproving a negative" or you would have constructed some sort of response that addressed that part of my post. I cannot disprove your idea because your idea will never, ever happen. Ever. Just because you can use AutoCAD or MiniCAD (or whatever program you think you've mastered) doesn't mean you can successfully come up with a block design that will incorporate two DOHC VTEC B-series heads into a single engine.

All that aside, the simple fact remains that this is an idea that only a child would come up with. No one with even an ounce of common sense would ever consider doing this. Honestly: spending $350,000 on a project for your Civic so you can be different? Are you ******* serious? Are you 12?

You know what the difference is between an adult's spending of $350,000 and a child's spending of $350,000? The adult will by an Italian supercar and a pimp apartment to take hot college chicks back to when his choice of vehicle makes them so horny they can't stand still. A child, on the other hand, will daydream about having a car that originally sold for under $10,000 new, outfitted with a one-off engine made of parts that are no longer produced because bigger, better, more advanced things have come out since then, with utterly no thought given to the fact that his engine (which he has decided to make a RWD affair although the chassis is a FWD one ) - even in the 1 in 1,000,000,000,000 chance that it sees the light of day and works - will probably make, at most, 260 whp at 8,000rpm.

Wow. Good thing you have that sick B8 RWD Civic to pick up all those girls who are going to want on your genius nuts, else I'm not sure how you'd ever get laid!

Children want a Honda V8.
Children want a VTEC V8.
Children want a RWD Civic - professional drag racers aside wherein their "Civic" is about as Civic as a dumptruck.
Children think they'll ever have a single engine engineered specifically for them.
Children think they are capable of doing by themselves what forty years of Honda engineers have ignored.

******* grow up.

 

I still haven't seen a single technical post from you in this topic and I have to grow up. Hmmm you make less and less sense to more you post. I will not HAVE this engine engineered specifically for me, I will do the engineering. 40+ years of Honda has made the choice to ignore this. The reason is they have two types of vehicles, all out race and production. The all-out race are their indy and CART cars. Their production cars focus on fuel economy, reduced emissions, safety, fit and finish etc. Of course they aren't going to produce a V8 there is no point for them. They can make enough power out of their V6 for their production cars. Believe me I could run circles around you all day with Honda history, I've been working for Honda for 5 years now.. I've been to the Marysville plant (I'm sure you have too since you live so close), the Alabama plant, the MC plant. Your attempt to minimize my ideas and ambition has failed miserably my friend. My bad, I didn't run my spell check on my post pertaining to a egotistical bone head from Colombus, OH, big ****** deal. You posted a few times in this topic, and yet none of the post show you have any know-how except in talking ****. That will get you far in life. YOU need to grow up and realize everybody is better than you, no matter what special scholarships you got or any of that ****. They are all better than you because their lives have a point, your just wasting air and helping the landfills fill quicker. Do us all a favor and drive your car off a cliff. The world would be a much better place. Or actually post something with a point. I still think the driving task would be easier for you to accomplish. So grow up, **** OFF, you got a problem with my dreams then deal with it. It's your problem not mine. But anyway have a great day..

 

This is what it should say...



Oh BTW, when the **** are we going to get back on track/topic? Does anyone have an S2K FACTORY service manual they could post some images from? I need a few pages out of the transmission section.


Modified by HondaFanatic708 at 1:02 PM 5/5/2005

 

alright here is some technical aspect find your bore and stoke that will be possible up to 10 grand? ok then figure out what kind of air that will pull in and what kind of harmonics the intake and exause air will be making that would be step one. find how long it will take the piston to travil from tdc to bdc and what the time would be between combustion cycles.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think everyone should just understand right now - if I may be so bold - that this kid won't be doing anything other than making drawings of his "B8" in the lines of his notebook paper as he daydreams during GED class. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cstay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright here is some technical aspect find your bore and stoke that will be possible up to 10 grand? ok then figure out what kind of air that will pull in and what kind of harmonics the intake and exause air will be making that would be step one. find how long it will take the piston to travil from tdc to bdc and what the time would be between combustion cycles. </TD></TR></TABLE> Obviously those are all issues that will need to be addressed before the first block is forged. What are your ideas on this issue? By how long it will take for the piston to travel from TDC-BDC do the following equation (RPM/2)/60 = time in seconds from TDC - BDC... Intake harmonics will be fairly easy to get it running. The final harmonics will have to be fine tuned once it is up and running. Where does the bore and stroke limit the redline? Obviously if I have huge pistons and a long stroke it will limit the redline but why is determining the actual bore and stroke of the motor so critical so early in the game. Please expand on your ideas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sporkcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Exactly.</TD></TR></TABLE> You guys are just making yourselves look like idiots who don't have a brain to use. What information have you added to this post that actually has a valid point, none, so STFU and leave. LOL braindead people make me appreciate life so much more. Go try and expand your brain power by drinking some more Guiness..

 

hondas are out of the ordinary with a longer stroke then bore and it still can rev high most domestic V8 engines are close to squair now a undersquair engine like our hondas have a long stroke and a small diamiter piston like a stroker kit this inhibits rpm for a fiew reasons one would be it makes it harder for the bottom end to stay togeather at high rpm because of the incresed piston speed these engines usually work better at low rpm and are more torquer. and a oversquair engine will work better at high rpm because the pistons dont need to travel as far the the piston speed is reduced.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Obviously those are all issues that will need to be addressed before the first block is forged. What are your ideas on this issue? By how long it will take for the piston to travel from TDC-BDC do the following equation (RPM/2)/60 = time in seconds from TDC - BDC... Intake harmonics will be fairly easy to get it running. The final harmonics will have to be fine tuned once it is up and running. Where does the bore and stroke limit the redline? Obviously if I have huge pistons and a long stroke it will limit the redline but why is determining the actual bore and stroke of the motor so critical so early in the game. Please expand on your ideas. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Piston speed is VERY important. That defines the characteristics of the engine and how much load you can place it under. It depends upon the stroke and the crank. O and by the way, you generally cast blocks, but since yours is a one off, spend all that extra machining money on getting a forged block to do the crazy **** you need.