wow, i started reading this post and was like holly sh*t that sounds f*cking dope, but I do understand why people are kinda skeptical, but whatever ill keeping checking back on this project, sounds sick for u, good luck

 

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... the K55A-Ri or K60A-Ri will be so mean it will twist and "street frame" and because I wont want to get rid of the street EJ with the TL motor stroked and boosted.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you have still not explained how you will turn a 4.8 liter into a 6.0 liter, while maintaining proper combustion chamber volume and quench and at the same time keeping the stroke short enough to make power above 5000rpm.

 

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Obviously a whole lot more than you do. </TD></TR></TABLE>

And what makes you think that?

 

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Did you not know that hondafanatic FREAKIN RULEZ AT LIFE YO!!

 

Yea man, when everyone is being brainless and stupid, he's reading books and furthering his ever growing knowledge. He's a prodigy compared to everyone else. Don't even try to go against him because he'll take you down with one swift typing on the keyboard.

 

You have to add a

 

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Ya, I mean why even try. This kid knows his ****, just look at all fabrication he has already done. Fact is that he reads at a superjdmfabrication.com level so building one-off engines and stuff is just childs play. Plus, if Honda is lucky he will let them check it out once he's done. What a guy!

 

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I know, I cannot wait to buy one of his signiture cars straight from honda!

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talk is cheap, we'll see if you can actually do it </TD></TR></TABLE>


people like you suck, no need for negative comments....

 

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I'm going to have to disagree. There is a difference making negative comments and someone being the voice of reason.


Talk is indeed very cheap. There is a saying that goes a little like this...."A picture is worth a thousand words." Let's see some pictures of what you have done Hondafanatic so that we can all be set straight. I'm not hating nor am I flaming at all. If you want to be set apart from every other **** talker on the Internet man up and post some pictures of your work.

 

Thanks man, some people are just haters some actually have a point.

Ok I disagree with this statement but WTF.

Why not "TRY" as you call it? I'll check out the site, but what it comes down to is what he has done and what he knows do not equal what is possible. But anyway what a guy, I guess.

I agree...

I also agree with this. But here it goes. This is a very long-term project. There are stages I will go through to see how the chassis and suspension will have to evolve over time. First step is a K24 swap in an EJ. Then once the i-VTEC system is understood through Chrome, or Uberdata I will mod the same chassis to swap in a V6 VTEC from the TL. Once I have that all figured out I will begin more intesive R&D in this project. CNBlocks told me their other special projects will have them tied up for a few years. So let's start the clock, light the slow burning flame. Whatever you wanna call it. I'm doing some prelim hand drawings along with some 3D work, once I have more tangible info such as the size of the ext on the block. Enginebay dimensions, drivetrain etc. I will post SOME of it but not all.

I did explain how 6.0 was possible but it was discovered the numbers wouldn't be power producing at high RPM. Check a few pages back. All I was doing in that statement was saying how any big motor even a 4.8 would twist a stock frame to ****. One thing I do know is it will be 5.0L +. The bore and piston height will be symetrical, "square pistons" as it is refered.. I will put a little stroke on it but not much. I will have the actual displacement when the motor is built. Until then the calculator will tell me when I get to that point. Happy tuning all!

 

I guess the point I was trying to get across is this. What previous experiance do you have that allows you to be so sure you can accomplish this lofty goal of yours? Pics would be very helpfull and so would a little bit of humblness on your part. There is a differance between cocky and arrogent. You sir have hopped the fence onto the arrogent side. It's cool if this is a long term project that you want to do. What I think is grating people is you lack of respect. It's cool if you want to say "hey I want to build this someday and I want to learn everything there is to know about it" It's another thing to hop in here and bash everyone who thinks it's this isnt a good idea when you havent given and solid proof that it IS a good idea.

on top of that all you bashed all the engineering students in here. THere are a lot of us in here in case you hadnt noticed.

Once again I'm just trying to point you in the right direction in this project and your approach to "gathering" information and opinions.

-David

 

good luck with everything... if you end up needing any help or tig welding done I am just across the river from you.

check out the Powertec RPA Macroblock 2.6 V8 Specs:
http://www.radicalextremesport...c.php
here is a link to Powertec:
http://www.powertecracing.com/

maybe useful for some ideas and whatnot... the sound of that 2.6 reving to 10k and making just a tad over 380 hp is very nice.

imo I would be thinking about a platform that is already rwd though.

 

The K-series ecus are different from the old ones. You gotta go full standalone or reflash it. Full standalone - like AEM or MOTEC.

uberdata won't work, i haven't heard of chrome.

 

Crazy idea...but i have had a few myself. Never hurts to dream. Here is one of the ideas I thought of one night with my cousins and a case of beer.
Started out talking about the v-tech and how there are two peek horsepower bands...that led into the discusion of how the valves opening and closing at certain rpm's - changes the h.p.- the v-tech more or less changes the timming of the valves to create the best hp. Why couldn't you run the valves off of super fast cylenoids to create the perfect timming at all rpm ranges. It would take one crazy program to tell what valve to open when - and at what rpm but if this could be done there would be peek hp all the time and there would be hp gain from removing the cams(rotating friction)...and the no longer needed timing belt (except to run water pump. etc.)... thats just one wierd idea budwieser has brought about...
I'm sure it may be far fetched but it doesnt hurt to think about it.- watch somone is gonna get rich off of this

 

a solenoid valvetrain isn't a new idea either. F1 and Indy teams have been working on this for a while.

and i had the idea for a B series V8 about a year ago. i actually know what parts i plan to use to build the entire motor, but i won't tell anyone cause i'm a stingy bastard that doesn't want anyone to build it before i do. yup, i'm gonna keep my ideas secret. i'm sure i'll get a flame or two for this. oh well. i won't choose a civic chassis tho. that seems kinda stupid to me.

anyways, i'm sure a B series V8 has been thought of by many people (i didn't read the whole post), but i would like to see it done tho. it would be neat to see how someone else thought it up, even if i wasn't the first to make one. and i don't think i will be either.

 

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You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

So you are going to bore and stroke this engine to achive 6L? The stroke is already long enough as it is why make it longer? Also you aren't going to be able to go much bigger on the combustion chambers for a bigger bore. You have to take into account the water passages and the spacing of the chambers but you already thought of this ..right?

So out of all your post i have read i haven't seen one post that shows your technical knowleadge to actually pull this off. Good luck with your pipe dream.

 

well Ill never say something cant be done..christ we took a soch block and made a dohc head work on it...great G23 motors...w/ gobs of torque and iron'd sleeved...so more power to you...and goodluck

 

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You say that like it's difficult to put an H22 head on an Accord F-series block.

 

Entertaining thread...

I'll start off with the skepticism: you're never going to build this motor, and you'll never be able to make this hodgepodge of Honda parts-bin bits play nicely in a Civic chassis. If you want to make a one-off car with a one-off motor, by all means do so. Building a car from the ground up is likely to have better end results than re-engineering a mass-produced econobox into a supercar. Don't take this as a flame, I'm just extremely cynical.

Now for the random ideas...

1. Drivetrain: Quaife makes some tasty transmissions (4, 5, 6 speed, custom ratios, sequential) and AWD transfer cases, which are much more likely to handle high power levels better than off-the-shelf Honda bits. Downside: straight-cut gears == LOUD

2. Cam drives: If you're planning on using unmodified Honda heads, you'll wind up with a cam drive at each end of the motor. Why bother with maintenance/failure items such as chains or belts? You're doing a custom block anyhow, engineer in gear cam drives instead. Much more reliable, and as far as the head goes, would only require making cam gears instead of cam sprockets. Plenty of conversions for American V8's out there if you need inspiration. Several Honda motorcycles have these as well (VFR700/750 86-97, VFR800 99-02, RC-51).

3. Engine management: Motec, or some other complete standalone. Time is money, how much do you want to spend retasking a mass-produced emissions-strangled ECU to deal with twice the cylinders, not to mention completely different fuel, spark and timing requirements?


Ok, that's enough out of me. I'm going to go back in my corner and work on designing my 3-wheeled, snowmobile-motored vehicle (no, I'm not kidding. google indycycle for a rough idea, minus the snowmobile bit)

Edit:

2 folks building one-offs that I follow regularly....

http://www.kimini.com - a HT member building a tube-framed carbon-shelled Prelude-powered Mini

http://www.dpcars.net - a Hayabusa-powered AWD zoomy thing, basically an overgrown shifter kart that could be street-legal

 

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I don't think you understand the idea behind what a forging really is. Forging is a process that turns a piece of metal into either the EXACT shape, or as close as possible, to your desired product. Forging is definitely not shaping and cutting an ingot into smaller blocks, then running that chunk of steel for several thousand hours on a mill to get your desired product. An engine block can not possibly be forged, at least in the traditional sense. If someone's tossing around the description that a block is forged, they're grossly mistaken.

 

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I don't think you understand the idea behind what a forging really is. Forging is a process that turns a piece of metal into either the EXACT shape, or as close as possible, to your desired product. Forging is definitely not shaping and cutting an ingot into smaller blocks, then running that chunk of steel for several thousand hours on a mill to get your desired product. An engine block can not possibly be forged, at least in the traditional sense. If someone's tossing around the description that a block is forged, they're grossly mistaken.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is where i got it from, http://www.cnblocks.com/info.htm just relaying a little google searching. not sure exactly how they do it, but they did say they were forged billets. Let me know if you find out more about it.

here is a pic of one of there blocks.

 

So I read all ten pages... and I like the motivation and dream and all... but you're approaching it very unrealistically.

Cost effectiveness and return value are crucial in any entrepenual adventure as well as a lot of market research. To be quite frank, you're wasting everyone's time because this idea is, in essence, trying to beautify a pile of ****. Regardless of how many ribbons you put on it, it's going to stink. You need to develop a realistic (not your overly hopefully la-la land) business plan and read more about engineering and then apply that to the project.

Personally, I think that having a goal of a v8 is stupid. Why not have a non-tangible goal such as 0-60 times, quarter times, 0-60-0 times, chassis weight, strength, safety, etc etc. ESPECIALLY because you rant and rave about your ideas --- so how come you're approaching this idea in the most cliche way possible?

You got the energy... now channel it bro. Put your name behind your morals.

 

this thread has way toomuch bs in it... sorry guys...

*lock*

 

hahaha i couldnt find any random thread to ask this question and not get bombed on by all the people online so i hope its acceptable in this thread lol

is it posible to go 3 times faster than the speed of sound??? mach-3

lol

would like to know