Completely Pointless, or is it...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91sihatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OMG you are budgeting $350,000 to build a civic....bwahahahaha
I don't think you understand the type of task you are taking on. What other things have you designed or even built through autocad that you can show for yourself?
In the end your going to be out $350k with nothing to show for it but a pile of scrap metal, when you could have been driving around in a supercar.</TD></TR></TABLE>A bunch of negative people posting lately, your opinion was valued, you posted now leave, LMAO. We need some smart people to come back and help me think of how this could work...
I don't think you understand the type of task you are taking on. What other things have you designed or even built through autocad that you can show for yourself?
In the end your going to be out $350k with nothing to show for it but a pile of scrap metal, when you could have been driving around in a supercar.</TD></TR></TABLE>A bunch of negative people posting lately, your opinion was valued, you posted now leave, LMAO. We need some smart people to come back and help me think of how this could work...
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OK honest response...
DO NOT sit here in front of the computer looking for info from HT. Start messing with autocad, get your design in order, figure out 100% what parts you want to use on the car, start calling companies that can build you a block and crank, find out how much that stuff is going to cost IF someone would even be willing to build you a block(s), and then decide if you want to still comtinue with this.
Also i forgot to add this before...If you want to actually build an 8cyl honda the cheapest route would be to use a system such as the ones used on the 6 engine tractor pullers. If you search for it it is a chain drive connecting the two cranks and mating it to a single axle. Now this setup would be no easy task either but it would be 1000x cheaper.
DO NOT sit here in front of the computer looking for info from HT. Start messing with autocad, get your design in order, figure out 100% what parts you want to use on the car, start calling companies that can build you a block and crank, find out how much that stuff is going to cost IF someone would even be willing to build you a block(s), and then decide if you want to still comtinue with this.
Also i forgot to add this before...If you want to actually build an 8cyl honda the cheapest route would be to use a system such as the ones used on the 6 engine tractor pullers. If you search for it it is a chain drive connecting the two cranks and mating it to a single axle. Now this setup would be no easy task either but it would be 1000x cheaper.
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tractor puller idea would be your best bet on how to go about making this alittle cheaper. You ahve a lot of work ahead of you, I would also definately consider using a non-honda rear end... but then if you do that why not just put a small block in there, and have a relatively simple v8 powered honda. I'm sure you can make some valvecovers that say Honda.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accord387 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tractor puller idea would be your best bet on how to go about making this alittle cheaper. You ahve a lot of work ahead of you, I would also definately consider using a non-honda rear end... but then if you do that why not just put a small block in there, and have a relatively simple v8 powered honda. I'm sure you can make some valvecovers that say Honda.</TD></TR></TABLE> The point is it will be produced with 100% custom or Honda parts... 
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (HondaFanatic708)
you know mugen makes V8s for some one of honda's racing series. Better yet, why not just get an F-1 engine and put it in your civic, with the 7spd trans. The BAR honda engine has the most HP on the F1 Circuit this year, would be a great option. You could burn out in every gear on street tires....
Modified by snoochtodanooch at 11:37 PM 5/2/2005
Modified by snoochtodanooch at 11:37 PM 5/2/2005
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (snoochtodanooch)
also this, i forgot about the CART series.
http://www.cartracingupdate.com/Cars/honda.htm
http://www.cartracingupdate.com/Cars/honda.htm
i HAS questions ?
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (snoochtodanooch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snoochtodanooch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you know mugen makes V8s for some one of honda's racing series. Better yet, why not just get an F-1 engine and put it in your civic, with the 7spd trans. The BAR honda engine has the most HP on the F-1 Circuit this year, would be a great option. You could burn out in every gear on street tires....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Cause they're so cheap and easy to maintain!!!
Cause they're so cheap and easy to maintain!!!
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (1 cam)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 cam »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Cause they're so cheap and easy to maintain!!!
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YEA AND MAKING A B8 is SO EASY PERIOD. Sense my sarcasm now?
Cause they're so cheap and easy to maintain!!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>YEA AND MAKING A B8 is SO EASY PERIOD. Sense my sarcasm now?
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (snoochtodanooch)
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-...19284 forgot about this one tooo.
For this project you might as well buy a used F1 car from like 4 years ago, or maybe get on the ferrari drivers program they have. That will only cost a couple million. You do your track sessions and rebuild your engine every few weekends at the track.
If you wanted something very cool, you would get an older, but hopefully lighter muscle car and transplant a new engine into it. Look at it this way, you could easily put a S2000 engine and trans, with a turbo kit and aem ems in ANY older hot rod without a problem, for under 12,000 for the entire swap, including a new rear and discs all around, maybe even cheap airbags. You would have 0 space issues, 0 engine mounting issues, you would have great power, light weight, and be able to scare the **** out of people when you open the hood. You would be putting down 350 HP without almost 300 lbs of engine and trans. Just think of that power to weight ratio now, with reliability.
They are gonna have fun with you if you even end up in an engineering school. They love kids like you who come up with these ideas. You take your classes with your lame brain ideas, then you head out into the real world and can't get a job because your ideas are terrible and will never be valuable to anyone.
For this project you might as well buy a used F1 car from like 4 years ago, or maybe get on the ferrari drivers program they have. That will only cost a couple million. You do your track sessions and rebuild your engine every few weekends at the track.
If you wanted something very cool, you would get an older, but hopefully lighter muscle car and transplant a new engine into it. Look at it this way, you could easily put a S2000 engine and trans, with a turbo kit and aem ems in ANY older hot rod without a problem, for under 12,000 for the entire swap, including a new rear and discs all around, maybe even cheap airbags. You would have 0 space issues, 0 engine mounting issues, you would have great power, light weight, and be able to scare the **** out of people when you open the hood. You would be putting down 350 HP without almost 300 lbs of engine and trans. Just think of that power to weight ratio now, with reliability.
They are gonna have fun with you if you even end up in an engineering school. They love kids like you who come up with these ideas. You take your classes with your lame brain ideas, then you head out into the real world and can't get a job because your ideas are terrible and will never be valuable to anyone.
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (snoochtodanooch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snoochtodanooch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.vtec.net/news/news-...19284 forgot about this one tooo.
For this project you might as well buy a used F1 car from like 4 years ago, or maybe get on the ferrari drivers program they have. That will only cost a couple million. You do your track sessions and rebuild your engine every few weekends at the track.
If you wanted something very cool, you would get an older, but hopefully lighter muscle car and transplant a new engine into it. Look at it this way, you could easily put a S2000 engine and trans, with a turbo kit and aem ems in ANY older hot rod without a problem, for under 12,000 for the entire swap, including a new rear and discs all around, maybe even cheap airbags. You would have 0 space issues, 0 engine mounting issues, you would have great power, light weight, and be able to scare the **** out of people when you open the hood. You would be putting down 350 HP without almost 300 lbs of engine and trans. Just think of that power to weight ratio now, with reliability.
They are gonna have fun with you if you even end up in an engineering school. They love kids like you who come up with these ideas. You take your classes with your lame brain ideas, then you head out into the real world and can't get a job because your ideas are terrible and will never be valuable to anyone. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Youre a moron and an *******. It's just an idea and the route you explained isnt at all what he is looking to do. Actaully, most engineers admire new ideas not look down on them. Granted, this isnt exactly a new idea, but still, an idea none the less. Any idea is better then nothing and he might end up imporving on something that you would never have thought of because you have nothing to add, only subtract and make yourself look like an ***.
Leave him alone to do what he wants, dont try and make him out to be an idiot because you dont know any better. I say good luck.
For this project you might as well buy a used F1 car from like 4 years ago, or maybe get on the ferrari drivers program they have. That will only cost a couple million. You do your track sessions and rebuild your engine every few weekends at the track.
If you wanted something very cool, you would get an older, but hopefully lighter muscle car and transplant a new engine into it. Look at it this way, you could easily put a S2000 engine and trans, with a turbo kit and aem ems in ANY older hot rod without a problem, for under 12,000 for the entire swap, including a new rear and discs all around, maybe even cheap airbags. You would have 0 space issues, 0 engine mounting issues, you would have great power, light weight, and be able to scare the **** out of people when you open the hood. You would be putting down 350 HP without almost 300 lbs of engine and trans. Just think of that power to weight ratio now, with reliability.
They are gonna have fun with you if you even end up in an engineering school. They love kids like you who come up with these ideas. You take your classes with your lame brain ideas, then you head out into the real world and can't get a job because your ideas are terrible and will never be valuable to anyone. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Youre a moron and an *******. It's just an idea and the route you explained isnt at all what he is looking to do. Actaully, most engineers admire new ideas not look down on them. Granted, this isnt exactly a new idea, but still, an idea none the less. Any idea is better then nothing and he might end up imporving on something that you would never have thought of because you have nothing to add, only subtract and make yourself look like an ***.
Leave him alone to do what he wants, dont try and make him out to be an idiot because you dont know any better. I say good luck.
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (sumyungguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sumyungguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but muscle car bodies are heavy thats why their slow </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (sumyungguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sumyungguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that guy snoochtodanooch has a idea
but muscle car bodies are heavy thats why their slow.... anyway dude the money and time your gonna spend will be rediculious... your better off buying a v8 or v6 car and fixing that up... get that new RL/Legend and put a couple of turbos on it that would be bad ***---S4 killer all the way
ALL of the cars in the honda line up are suposedly going to end up AWD in the next 3 years </TD></TR></TABLE>
You know, by looking at the power turboed hondas make, it seems like honda would make a Turbo AWD Teggy/civic and just kill all the competition. Over 200hp and 150 torque on a D Series alone with 8psi. Can you imagine if they made a boosted AWD K24 RSX?
They would have to change the car quite a bit of course, but damn
but muscle car bodies are heavy thats why their slow.... anyway dude the money and time your gonna spend will be rediculious... your better off buying a v8 or v6 car and fixing that up... get that new RL/Legend and put a couple of turbos on it that would be bad ***---S4 killer all the way
ALL of the cars in the honda line up are suposedly going to end up AWD in the next 3 years </TD></TR></TABLE>
You know, by looking at the power turboed hondas make, it seems like honda would make a Turbo AWD Teggy/civic and just kill all the competition. Over 200hp and 150 torque on a D Series alone with 8psi. Can you imagine if they made a boosted AWD K24 RSX?
They would have to change the car quite a bit of course, but damn
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Stop wasting your time here posting/replying to the critics... because all you're gonna get is bullshit, go sketch something, use your Auto CAD skills to design it on your computer, take some of that programming knowledge and start coding a program that'd generate imaginery outputs from that engine, now your engineer's brain build a prototype mini engine and don't forget to copyright everything you have before you post it on any websites... cuz you'll never know..
ok...you're wasting more time reading this crap.... get to work biatch!
ok...you're wasting more time reading this crap.... get to work biatch!
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (sumyungguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sumyungguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
ALL of the cars in the honda line up are suposedly going to end up AWD in the next 3 years </TD></TR></TABLE>
I can tell you right now this wont happen. Majority of honda sales = reliability and fuel economy.
AWD has more parts to break, more expensive to fix, decreases gas milage by power distribution and by the added weight.
ALL of the cars in the honda line up are suposedly going to end up AWD in the next 3 years </TD></TR></TABLE>
I can tell you right now this wont happen. Majority of honda sales = reliability and fuel economy.
AWD has more parts to break, more expensive to fix, decreases gas milage by power distribution and by the added weight.
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Re: Completely Pointless, or is it... (sumyungguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sumyungguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that guy snoochtodanooch has a idea
but muscle car bodies are heavy thats why their slow.... anyway dude the money and time your gonna spend will be rediculious... your better off buying a v8 or v6 car and fixing that up... get that new RL/Legend and put a couple of turbos on it that would be bad ***---S4 killer all the way
ALL of the cars in the honda line up are suposedly going to end up AWD in the next 3 years </TD></TR></TABLE>
Every single thing you just said, from top to bottom, is inaccurate. You probably just shouldnt post anymore unless you actually know.
but muscle car bodies are heavy thats why their slow.... anyway dude the money and time your gonna spend will be rediculious... your better off buying a v8 or v6 car and fixing that up... get that new RL/Legend and put a couple of turbos on it that would be bad ***---S4 killer all the way
ALL of the cars in the honda line up are suposedly going to end up AWD in the next 3 years </TD></TR></TABLE>
Every single thing you just said, from top to bottom, is inaccurate. You probably just shouldnt post anymore unless you actually know.
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It is Completely Pointless...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EP3tune2RULE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stop wasting your time here posting/replying to the critics... because all you're gonna get is bullshit, go sketch something, use your Auto CAD skills to design it on your computer, take some of that programming knowledge and start coding a program that'd generate imaginery outputs from that engine, now your engineer's brain build a prototype mini engine and don't forget to copyright everything you have before you post it on any websites... cuz you'll never know..
ok...you're wasting more time reading this crap.... get to work biatch! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, please do... I followed a link from the hybrid forum to here asking opinions... So here goes... This project is 100% feasible... That is the beauty of mechanical engineering... There is no reason that it wouldn't physically work as long as the time, engineering, and unfortunately the $$$ is put in to it... However I don't think this guys is going to do it... Even if you did have the exuberant amount of money required, I don't think you have the knowledge or the skill to do it... You can't say you are an engineer and then turn around and say you are a self-taught engineer who doesn't believe in paying 1400 dollars for a class... I suggest you go to school if you really want to start engineering your own custom V8 made with honda heads... Sorry HondaFanatic708, but my opinion is: if you want to be an engineer, put on some overalls, a goofy hat, and go drive a train...
ok...you're wasting more time reading this crap.... get to work biatch!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yes, please do... I followed a link from the hybrid forum to here asking opinions... So here goes... This project is 100% feasible... That is the beauty of mechanical engineering... There is no reason that it wouldn't physically work as long as the time, engineering, and unfortunately the $$$ is put in to it... However I don't think this guys is going to do it... Even if you did have the exuberant amount of money required, I don't think you have the knowledge or the skill to do it... You can't say you are an engineer and then turn around and say you are a self-taught engineer who doesn't believe in paying 1400 dollars for a class... I suggest you go to school if you really want to start engineering your own custom V8 made with honda heads... Sorry HondaFanatic708, but my opinion is: if you want to be an engineer, put on some overalls, a goofy hat, and go drive a train...
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Re: It is Completely Pointless... (Sam1am26)
yo, hondafanatic708!! the company is called Engine Radical Extreme Sports Cars and they custom fabricated all the necessary parts to build this beast. check this link http://thekneeslider.com/archi...gine/
http://www.radicalmotorsport.c...x.php <~~here's their site
shame to all the doubt'rs, although i wouldn't be able to afford the project cost. do it
http://www.radicalmotorsport.c...x.php <~~here's their site
shame to all the doubt'rs, although i wouldn't be able to afford the project cost. do it
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Been done.
J/P
Honestly, Honda Fanatic, when I started reading I was thinking "oh, interesting"
But now that I've read the whole thread, I've noticed that you have no clue what you're talking about. You say you read a lot, and that may be true, but I have a feeling that you don't necessarily comprehend what you are reading.
One of my magazines has a Radical with two turbocharged Hayabusa engines mated together powering all four wheels, pretty cool! I cannot quite remember how they linked the two output shafts together, but I'm sure it wasn't cheap.
If you REALLY want to pursue this idea, keep it a little simpler....take two B-series (cheaper than F or K) and come up with a chain drive of sorts that links the output shafts together, then somehow to link that to a gearbox and rear end. I'd say S2000, but that'd be too weak, so possibly a Corvette tranny and rear or something of that sort.
Oh, and definetly don't put it in an EJ, that'd be stupid. If you want to keep it Honda, use an S2000 because it is already RWD and has the appropriate suspension and chassis setup.
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Been done.
J/P
Honestly, Honda Fanatic, when I started reading I was thinking "oh, interesting"
But now that I've read the whole thread, I've noticed that you have no clue what you're talking about. You say you read a lot, and that may be true, but I have a feeling that you don't necessarily comprehend what you are reading.
One of my magazines has a Radical with two turbocharged Hayabusa engines mated together powering all four wheels, pretty cool! I cannot quite remember how they linked the two output shafts together, but I'm sure it wasn't cheap.
If you REALLY want to pursue this idea, keep it a little simpler....take two B-series (cheaper than F or K) and come up with a chain drive of sorts that links the output shafts together, then somehow to link that to a gearbox and rear end. I'd say S2000, but that'd be too weak, so possibly a Corvette tranny and rear or something of that sort.
Oh, and definetly don't put it in an EJ, that'd be stupid. If you want to keep it Honda, use an S2000 because it is already RWD and has the appropriate suspension and chassis setup.
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Re: (HondaFanatic708)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> What thoughtfull information were you trying to share with this post. All your telling me is you don't know ****. Since you didn't say **** that means ****. Take your own suggestion bro. </TD></TR></TABLE>
where you are an idiot who talks big, but doesn't comprehend the design challenges inherent in your idea, i am an engineering student at ucsd. where you post pictures of "oh man it needs these tizzite headlights and oh man these hawt wheels too." i have built fast cars for cheap.
here are some points to consider.
1. the s2000 tranny is weak sauce in comparison to any tremec you care to name.
2. why on earth are you planning to convert a ff unibody to fr? why not build a tube frame and drape a civic skin over it instead? oh right, because you're a tool and civics are sweet *** sweet.
3. people have made 400 hp b series engines for an amount of money much much smaller than 350 thousand dollars.
4. this is a stupid idea.
</TD></TR></TABLE>where you are an idiot who talks big, but doesn't comprehend the design challenges inherent in your idea, i am an engineering student at ucsd. where you post pictures of "oh man it needs these tizzite headlights and oh man these hawt wheels too." i have built fast cars for cheap.
here are some points to consider.
1. the s2000 tranny is weak sauce in comparison to any tremec you care to name.
2. why on earth are you planning to convert a ff unibody to fr? why not build a tube frame and drape a civic skin over it instead? oh right, because you're a tool and civics are sweet *** sweet.
3. people have made 400 hp b series engines for an amount of money much much smaller than 350 thousand dollars.
4. this is a stupid idea.