Here it is, I actually made 3 in all. I will have 2 extra ones if anyone wants one. The piece is actually about an inch long. At the end where it bolts up to the itb's I made it more like a slot then a hole, this way I can slide it back and forth allowing the cable tension I wanted. If you just have it in 1 position you run the risk of having the cable to tight and not closing all the way.

 

Do they mount up? If so, you might as well let WuRKD b16 and I have'm. Show us some pix of what they look like installed. should be some good stuff.

How is your setup coming WuRKD b16?

 

I have also been following a thread about tuning ITBS with Hondata. People have been saying that it can be done but its best to use the AEM unit. Something about not having the MAP enabled during driving, just the TPS...? What do you guys think? I hope I can use mine...I just got the damn thing. We should figure this out.

 

yes you should let me and Nathan get those 2 extra brackets you have. Please

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nathan atwell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have also been following a thread about tuning ITBS with Hondata. People have been saying that it can be done but its best to use the AEM unit. Something about not having the MAP enabled during driving, just the TPS...? What do you guys think? I hope I can use mine...I just got the damn thing. We should figure this out. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have talked to a guy and he said he had them tuned and running all right with a basically a stock ecu and fpr and vafc. As far as the bracket goes, I'll be working on it today and will try to get some videos of it in action. I already have 1 person IM'ing me about buying a bracket off me, so I'll see whats gonna happen. There going on tomorrow by the way.

 

The thing is, using a ems, you can extract max potential from the itbs. I'm waiting on a guy how is using S200 with the same setup we have. I asked him to post here so we could look over what he had. I also talked to Crescent, he tunes my hondata, he said as long as the map had a good vac source then it would be just as good as the AEM ems.

YUMMY, more pix. I also think I have figured out a way to solve any vacuum problems. I'm building a "canister" with lots of ports. If it works out I'll make some for you guys. I hope it works out. Parts will be around $12. But, I'll show you how I did it with some pix in case you want to do it yourself..

I'll be putting the nozzles in the canister and mounting the MAP and the little plug that the MAP uses to read pressure in a 3/8 inch hole. Ill show you guys what I mean on Sat or Sun.

 

subbing
stan

 

im willing to buy the bracket from you too. Just throw a price and im sure ill pick it up

 

Instead of building a canaster can't you use the Golden eagle vacuum manifold. That what i bought..

 

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It would not cost a lot, probably $10, the only thing is though 1 of the bracket has a hole drilled into for 1 bolt to mount, it would not be hard to drill another bolt hole but that would be up to you, basically your gonna have to make it fit to your likings. Instead of using 2 perfect holes, I cut basically a slot, this way the bracket actually slides back and forth so you can position it to your likings. They will be going on tomorrow so I will update all your guys tomorrow.

 

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The reason is that the canister should provide enough vacuum for the map sensor. The GE bar just lets you run a hose to the map but thats not going to work. There is a little nipple that sits underneath the Map sensor that pulls and pushes on the Map to tell it what kinda of load its seeing. Only drilling a 3/8 inch hole and putting the nipple in between the MAP and the canister will simulate this, I hope anyways.

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It would not cost a lot, probably $10, the only thing is though 1 of the bracket has a hole drilled into for 1 bolt to mount, it would not be hard to drill another bolt hole but that would be up to you, basically your gonna have to make it fit to your likings. Instead of using 2 perfect holes, I cut basically a slot, this way the bracket actually slides back and forth so you can position it to your likings. They will be going on tomorrow so I will update all your guys tomorrow.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can you give some measurements. I'll through one together this weekend if if looks like yours. Shouldn't be too hard.

 

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The f4 itbs are to small, and this is not even a bike thread. Well yesterday I took a couple test drives with them on, all I can say is there amazing. The idle is not that bad but it is a little rough,not a bad rough but like it sounds like I have a huge cam. I know I am running rich but I took the car out yesterday and it does not seem to bad. I can defiantly feel the power, it feels like I lost a little low end torque which I was expecting but when it gets up there it moves. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask, I will try to post some pics and videos up in a little while.

 

great thread

I still wonder about map sensor issues, this guy lost 30 whp.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=849943

ITb's wagon...next stop im hopping in..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mmuller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">great thread

I still wonder about map sensor issues, this guy lost 30 whp.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=849943

ITb's wagon...next stop im hopping in..</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is a great thread but its to bad he sold the car, I really think he lost the power because if I remember correctly he was really starving the engine of full, I could be wrong though. As far as map sensor issues I don't think it should be to much of a concern, I have 4 vacuum hoses routed into the map sensor and it seems pretty good, if I had the golden eagle air box it probably would be better, I know on my vafc the pressure reading is around 4** at idle, and I can't remember really what it was with the stock manifold on but I don't think the difference was huge. Anyone have a vafc and a stock manifold, mind telling me what the pressure is ? Also I ran into a little snag, what are people doing as far as the pcv valve goes with itbs ?


Modified by 90blackcrx at 11:38 AM 6/6/2004

 

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That is a great thread but its to bad he sold the car, I really think he lost the power because if I remember correctly he was really starving the engine of full, I could be wrong though. As far as map sensor issues I don't think it should be to much of a concern, I have 4 vacuum hoses routed into the map sensor and it seems pretty good, if I had the golden eagle air box it probably would be better, I know on my vafc the pressure reading is around 4** at idle, and I can't remember really what it was with the stock manifold on but I don't think the difference was huge. Anyone have a vafc and a stock manifold, mind telling me what the pressure is ? Also I ran into a little snag, what are people doing as far as the pcv valve goes with itbs ?


Modified by 90blackcrx at 11:38 AM 6/6/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>

I will tell you voltage reading at the map sensor(but i dont have a vafc), il just probe it, after i get back for work and post the results at various rpms.
As far as the pcv since you are not using a stock mani. just do a customs catch can and mount the valve on it.

 

Thanks, anyone know if you can just plug the dashpot and purge cut-off solenoid valve off or will it cause any kind of effects ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90blackcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks, anyone know if you can just plug the dashpot and purge cut-off solenoid valve off or will it cause any kind of effects ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no effects unless you are obd2 wich then youll get a cel

 

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no effects unless you are obd2 wich then youll get a cel
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Cool thanks, here is a pic of my setup, I had a video but I have no clue how to convert these canon videos to mpeg files.

 

Heres the video

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D

 

one of the best ways ive seen air directed into the itb, was on a drag only civic at englishtown, somehow the guy built a box completely surrounding the intakes, and it had foam surrounding the top edges so when the hood was closed no air from the engine bay was able to get in there, and on the hood the guy had a wrx or sti style hood scoop directing fresh air straight into the throttle bodies, it seemed kinda stupid with the giant scoop, but very functional at the same time, love it or hate it, it had to have worked

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90blackcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heres the video

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D</TD></TR></TABLE>

why the bouncing idle?
stan

 

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why the bouncing idle?
stan</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well I have the fiacv and the iacv just hanging, so that could be it. Today the car started running like crap, really sluggish and slow. I think I'm gonna take them off and switch back to stock. The 2 nights I drove the car it ran great but then today it was like a totally different car. Maybe it was the weather but I doubt it. I know the car is running rich at idle which I want to try to fix, anyone have any thoughts on how to turn the vafc just for now ?

 

I hate it when people advertise in good threads...anyways. The up and down idle is caused by a vacuum problem. One of the hoses is either not attached or is in the wrong place. I bet its the first idea. Check All of them...I know fiacv and the iacv are the issues. Once you get those figured out you'll idle normal. Besides being a little "rough."
DAMN IT... I WANT TO GET MINE UP AND RUNNING!!!
Nice looking setup though. Its amazing how many vacuum hoses show up when you take **** out isn't it! LOL. How is it running? Any noticeable power increase?
How is the tuning coming? Make sure that the FPR is getting a good vacuum source. I think it will be very beneficial to our setup to use a vacuum can.
I contacted Matt at Hondata and he assured me that if the Map sensor has a good vacuum source then it will be fine. I built the canister with the dimensions of 8 inch's long and 3 inch's in diameter. I put the map sensor on the top, or the end, of the canister. It will work great if me theory on vacuum conditioning is correct. Lets hope.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turtlecx92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">one of the best ways ive seen air directed into the itb, was on a drag only civic at englishtown, somehow the guy built a box completely surrounding the intakes, and it had foam surrounding the top edges so when the hood was closed no air from the engine bay was able to get in there, and on the hood the guy had a wrx or sti style hood scoop directing fresh air straight into the throttle bodies, it seemed kinda stupid with the giant scoop, but very functional at the same time, love it or hate it, it had to have worked </TD></TR></TABLE>

There is a MUGEN style hood that I'm looking at from Extreme Dimensions. Its kinda rice but it will be very functional. And i only car about function, but it looks great as well.