Im not quite sure what bluuepringting is i think its just making it perfection? Anyway my ? is im going to build an ls vtec yes i know what to use but about balancing the motor should i send it to be blueprinted and balanced with the flywheel that im using too? I mean im probably using sstock crank and rods but the pistons might offset the weight since they arent oem and i want it to be perfect. From what i understand you get everything balanced at one right? you cant just balance a crank or rods correct there would be no point because what do you balance it to?? I looked online but i cant seem to find a price anywhere for blueprint and balancing how much does it run around???

 

Why is the flywheel in the equation? Balance the crank, rods, and pistons.

 

"hondas are already about as balanced as you are gonna get. you can perfect it a little better, but for the most part, not much more"- mike from DPR.

I can find the link if I dig hard enough.

blueprinting is taking everything to the extreme limits of what it can be taken to.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by murtnabila &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why is the flywheel in the equation? Balance the crank, rods, and pistons.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you balance any thing that spins ie crank,rods,pistons,crank pulley,flywheel,pressureplate,ect

you can balace stuff individually because when the macine shop does this the whole assebally isnt bolted together its piece by piece, i would have the same shop do the balanceing though to keep thier specific tolerences throughout thouh

bluprinting is just clearencing a motor, a motor usually runs its strongest right before if blows up so when you bluebrint a motor the wear ie clearences, are built in the motor from the start

 

Good someoe who knows what they are saying.. yea i read what that guy said about the flywheel and i was like what the?? Well I want the whole motor balanced because i dont want any vibrations so should this motor be apart when i give it to the machine shop or should it be assembled?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tRex99 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Good someoe who knows what they are saying.. yea i read what that guy said about the flywheel and i was like what the?? Well I want the whole motor balanced because i dont want any vibrations so should this motor be apart when i give it to the machine shop or should it be assembled? </TD></TR></TABLE>

apart or they will have to dissassemble the motor to do it and they will charge for that.

 

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mainly because it's rotating mass, directly bolted to the motor.
We balanced the flywheel, and pressure plate when we built my motor, along with the crank, rods, and pistons. It's best to balance the whole line of rotation at once.

 

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mainly because it's rotating mass, directly bolted to the motor.
We balanced the flywheel, and pressure plate when we built my motor, along with the crank, rods, and pistons. It's best to balance the whole line of rotation at once.</TD></TR></TABLE>

same her

 

hypa said the right way to do it

 

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I believe I know what I'm talking about. Why balance something that isn't gonna stay in the same for for long? Just turn a flywheel if needed but no point of balancing it. But if you really want to go ahead it's your decision not mine. But it just don't make sense to me. So I threw out my .02
Plus junkyard racer is right on. You will be suprised how great honda motors are balanced to begin with.

 

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I believe I know what I'm talking about. Why balance something that isn't gonna stay in the same for for long? Just turn a flywheel if needed but no point of balancing it. But if you really want to go ahead it's your decision not mine. But it just don't make sense to me. So I threw out my .02
Plus junkyard racer is right on. You will be suprised how great honda motors are balanced to begin with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

right honda motors are verry well balanced from the factory but when you put that new aluminum flywheel and pressure plate those are usually pretty off from most of the ones ive done.

 

balance and bprint is also gonna cost you over 700$

 

My balancing and blueprinting was done for about $400.
The guy was happy as hell too, since the parts were so damn good from either factory, or aftermarket (CP pistons, Eagle rods). The crank and whatnot were really well balanced from the factory, but they were not perfect. I wanted mine to be perfect, thus the need to balance.

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Guy, you have no clue.
Honda flywheels are balanced from the factory, but the second you turn it, it goes out of balance. That's a commonly known fact. Plus, who removes their flywheel every month? Do it once, do it right. FYI, my CM 7.8lb flywheel was out of whack, from the CM factory. It took 15 minutes for the guy to properly balance it using his scope. Spin to 9000, and tell me you don't want a balanced flywheel/pressure plate combo.


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The bottom line is that they're not perfect.
Thus the desire of some to balane their motors.

Once again, do it once, do it right.

 

Hey Hypa, did u get your Machnining done at High Performance?

 

my cm flywheel was sos out of balance i felt it in the car

 

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Guy, you have no clue.
Honda flywheels are balanced from the factory, but the second you turn it, it goes out of balance.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You believe the flywheel will stay balanced? The clutch and flywheel are both wear and tear items. As time goes on balance goes bye bye! Oh well...I've said my peace. I'm not looking to dabate this further. You have your opinions. I have mine. Simple as that. But don't tell me I have no clue or what not. You don't know me and/or what I know or don't know. As I don't know you and/or what you do or don't know.
peace!

 

Ralph at Cincinatti Machine did all of my balancing, and 90% of the stuff I did for the shop. He has all the scopes, lathes, milling machines, etc and his prices are awesome. PM me on RS if you want his number.

 

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You believe the flywheel will stay balanced? The clutch and flywheel are both wear and tear items. As time goes on balance goes bye bye! Oh well...I've said my peace. I'm not looking to dabate this further. You have your opinions. I have mine. Simple as that. But don't tell me I have no clue or what not. You don't know me and/or what I know or don't know. As I don't know you and/or what you do or don't know.
peace!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry man, I hate my job so much I want to die. Take a car nut, and putting him in an office is like cagin an animal. It affects my my posting too. I just got banned from Clubsi for the second time yesterday.


Back to topic, I stand by what I said on the FW. If it's balanced right, from the beginning it will change slightly as the component wears, but it will be a lot closer to perfect balance even if it goes slightly out of whack. I don't like the way an unbalanced flywheel feels, and when compared to the same unit that's been properly machined, it's a world of difference. I see your point though, it's just personal preference.