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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 08:12 AM
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just basic low boost not at high boost .

Is there a difference in reliability between different engines 1.6 , 1.8 etc...

trying to decide which way to go
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 08:13 AM
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Neither if you havent done any events yet.

Leave it alone and learn
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 08:34 AM
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If you want to get into competitive wheel to wheel racing, that turbo will place you into a class against cars like turbo Porsche, etc. You will be a severe underdog.

If you just want to have fun @ HPDE events, it is up to you. There is a lot to learn already. You don't need a powerplant you will be having to watch all the time.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:08 AM
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You have enough on your 'lude... go play.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:39 AM
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road racing doesnt equal hpDE, however if your looking for boosting for DE events id advise against it. turbos get HOT.
there was a boosted si with just a little greddy kit running with us in december. he had the heater on full blast and still was getting hot. he better not even think about trying to run in the summer.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:46 AM
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It depends on how much effort you've put into getting the engine reliable.

Do you have a sufficient intercooler and radiator, a standalone ECU, an oil cooler, etc? -- or are you running some off-the-shelf system relying on a FPU for fuel?

I wouldn't have any problem carrying a well-built turbo car on track.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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turbo=$$$$$. NA=$$. With turbo you will have more issues to work with and the costs are significantly higher. If you are smart you will stick to this formula as to how to spend your money:
Driver first (seat time)
Suspension/brakes second (there is more time to be found in tires, springs, and shocks than motor)
Motor third (anyone can mash the loud pedal, work on the others first)

It is much more satisfying chasing down higher hp cars with a better driver using a decent suspension and good tires.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 11:08 AM
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ive done 6-7 hpde with groups such as NASA etc.. in my prelude. i just got a 1994 civic cx and im not sure if ill be to slow with that engine. it sounds like i will be going NA though...
thanks
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 11:20 AM
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turbo + non LSD FWD = mAD tORqUE sTEeR y0!
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 11:58 AM
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I was talking with one of my instructors last year at a track day... actually he was kind of venting. He was instructing this guy with a killer Supra Turbo, and even though the instructor told him to back off the boost, the student didn't.

To me, turbo charging your car will just be another distraction from what you should be thinking about at a HPDE. High Performance doesn't refer to your car, it refers to your driving.

Also a couple years back one of the tuner mags did a bit on 3-4 built-up civics. The one that survived was the all-motor car. The forced induction cars all had problems. The test/competition spoke volumes to me.

Stock motor and well maintained = more seat time and no worries.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 12:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by emwavey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Stock motor and well maintained = more seat time and no worries. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yup!

Stock can be a beautiful thing sometimes. No headaches.

Lets all chant together: "N-A-ALL THE WAY, N-A- ALL THE WAY!...."



OT: Which one would YOU rather have, GT3 NA Porsche or a TURBO AWD Porsche?
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 12:44 PM
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non-awd... not enough time in those thangs and couldn't get the hang of it when I did drive em... response to off topic.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 12:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dchung1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i just got a 1994 civic cx and im not sure if ill be to slow with that engine. it sounds like i will be going NA though...
thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

NA... and as CivicRR said, it will also give you the most "realistic" options for Road-racing later on down the road (you are posting in this thread, so I assume so).

Have fun.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 01:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by emwavey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Also a couple years back one of the tuner mags did a bit on 3-4 built-up civics. The one that survived was the all-motor car. The forced induction cars all had problems. The test/competition spoke volumes to me.
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Paul Tracy (Honda motor guy at that time) did the driving for those cars in the test. He ran them at redline all the way around part of the course because he felt it was faster than shifting. Motors with Jackson Superchargers gave up the ghost and NA motor survived. Lesson learned. If it was factory or expert tuned with forced induction, then it should be good. Just an aftermarket bolt-on, and hoses start falling off, fumes come out the rear end, and water starts to boil. You have to get rid of a lot of heat with the high power a turbo makes. It had better be well engineered in terms of heat removal and engine component loading. I have seen more guys have trouble at the track with turbos than anything else. It's no fun when you paid and can't drive. Go NA.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 04:41 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by descartesfool &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's no fun when you paid and can't drive. Go NA.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Amen.
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