GSR Motor match to LS tranny?
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GSR Motor match to LS tranny?
Would the tranny from my LS mate to a GSR motor with no modification? If so wouldnt it be easier to buy a GSR motor instead of just the head and drop the whole motor and ECU in?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSTEG96 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, people put gsr trannies in an ls all the time, but the gear ratios on an ls are longer... better for boost tho </TD></TR></TABLE> not better for boost 
and yes, it will bolt on correctly.
and yes, it will bolt on correctly.
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no no no thats just some stupid ****, shorter gear tranny lets youre accelerate faster bottom line. and you could with no problems put an ls tranny on ur gsr you would be de-modifieing youre motor though
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Threatcon13 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> not better for boost and yes, it will bolt on correctly. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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better for boost......i disagree......still takes you that much longer to shift to the next gear
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better for boost......i disagree......still takes you that much longer to shift to the next gear
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Threatcon13 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> not better for boost ... </TD></TR></TABLE>
I know people that run better .25 mi times with a LS tranny and Quaife than they did with their GSR tranny. I say that they can be an advantage depending on how much power you are putting down b/c torque multiplication is slingtly less with the taller final drive wich can = grip.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -iLLuZioN-B18C1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16/b18c5 trannies are very nice, but theyll rape you on the highway(gas)</TD></TR></TABLE>
really?? hmmmmm, thats odd b/c I get better gas milage now with a full R swap than I got with the original LS motor. And a friend that put a GSR tranny with his LS motor has noticed no drop in gas milage. So, are you speaking from experience?
... </TD></TR></TABLE> I know people that run better .25 mi times with a LS tranny and Quaife than they did with their GSR tranny. I say that they can be an advantage depending on how much power you are putting down b/c torque multiplication is slingtly less with the taller final drive wich can = grip.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -iLLuZioN-B18C1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16/b18c5 trannies are very nice, but theyll rape you on the highway(gas)</TD></TR></TABLE>
really?? hmmmmm, thats odd b/c I get better gas milage now with a full R swap than I got with the original LS motor. And a friend that put a GSR tranny with his LS motor has noticed no drop in gas milage. So, are you speaking from experience?
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okay noob. would you rather be cruising 80 mph at 3.5K or 4K??? tell me, which would take more gas???
according to YOU, cruising at 4K would give me better gas mileage than cruising at 3.5K.
but since youre so smart, i guess youre right.
and any tranny with shorter gears will have quicker acceleration. if you dont believe me, how bout you post a topic about it. we'll see what happens. any knowledgeable person could tell you that.
go ahead, i want to see you create a thread.
LS tranny vs GSR tranny? Which would be quicker?
according to YOU, cruising at 4K would give me better gas mileage than cruising at 3.5K.
but since youre so smart, i guess youre right.
and any tranny with shorter gears will have quicker acceleration. if you dont believe me, how bout you post a topic about it. we'll see what happens. any knowledgeable person could tell you that.
go ahead, i want to see you create a thread.
LS tranny vs GSR tranny? Which would be quicker?
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Re: (-iLLuZioN-B18C1)
OK son, take a look at my sig. Got it? GOOOOOD! I may be new around Honda Tech, but I'm not new to integras. I know and understand my stuff well enough that I was asked to be a moderator over at Team Integra after 4 months on the board...
Take a look at a fuel map some time. you'll notice that fuel delivery is based on trottle position, not just RPM. So at cruise you burn a negligible, if any amount more fuel at 500 more rpm. Why? b/c the engine is making a little more power so you don't have to be dipped into the throttle as far. Also, with shorter gearing, torque multiplication is greater, so the engine doesn't have to work as hard, thus again, reducing the amount of throttle needed. Surferx over at TI gets better gas milage with his type R now after doing the 4.785 FD, and making 190 at the wheels than when his car was stock. I'll say this one more time, and do so a little more clearly so you get it better this time: I GET BETTER MILAGE NOW WITH A FULL TYPE R SWAP (ENG/TRNY/ECU) THAN BACK WHEN I HAD THE ORIGINAL LS MOTOR. It's a fact. I've got fuel records to show it. The taller gearing in the LS tranny doesn't multiply the torque as much as, thus making the engine work harder to maintain 80 mph.
Yes, shorter gears will improve acceleration. But you can only accelerate if you have grip. NO? the point of using the 4.266 FD would be to reduce the torque multiplication giving better possible grip off the line... And more time accelerating, less time shifting. Funny how my friend runs slower .25 times now with the turbo on his type R.
thats a cute challenge. Posting a topic here and having people respond that don't fully understand what they're talking about will get things nowhere and only spread false info. Feel free though to post your feelings about this over at team integra
... and you'll see how it feels to get your *** flamed like a gay man while being set straight on the topic.
Modified by pythonScott at 8:45 AM 10/15/2003
Take a look at a fuel map some time. you'll notice that fuel delivery is based on trottle position, not just RPM. So at cruise you burn a negligible, if any amount more fuel at 500 more rpm. Why? b/c the engine is making a little more power so you don't have to be dipped into the throttle as far. Also, with shorter gearing, torque multiplication is greater, so the engine doesn't have to work as hard, thus again, reducing the amount of throttle needed. Surferx over at TI gets better gas milage with his type R now after doing the 4.785 FD, and making 190 at the wheels than when his car was stock. I'll say this one more time, and do so a little more clearly so you get it better this time: I GET BETTER MILAGE NOW WITH A FULL TYPE R SWAP (ENG/TRNY/ECU) THAN BACK WHEN I HAD THE ORIGINAL LS MOTOR. It's a fact. I've got fuel records to show it. The taller gearing in the LS tranny doesn't multiply the torque as much as, thus making the engine work harder to maintain 80 mph.
Yes, shorter gears will improve acceleration. But you can only accelerate if you have grip. NO? the point of using the 4.266 FD would be to reduce the torque multiplication giving better possible grip off the line... And more time accelerating, less time shifting. Funny how my friend runs slower .25 times now with the turbo on his type R.
thats a cute challenge. Posting a topic here and having people respond that don't fully understand what they're talking about will get things nowhere and only spread false info. Feel free though to post your feelings about this over at team integra
... and you'll see how it feels to get your *** flamed like a gay man while being set straight on the topic. Modified by pythonScott at 8:45 AM 10/15/2003
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pythonScott »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK son, take a look at my sig. Got it? GOOOOOD! I may be new around Honda Tech, but I'm not new to integras. I know and understand my stuff well enough that I was asked to be a moderator over at Team Integra after 4 months on the board...
Take a look at a fuel map some time. you'll notice that fuel delivery is based on trottle position, not just RPM. So at cruise you burn a negligible, if any amount more fuel at 500 more rpm. Why? b/c the engine is making a little more power so you don't have to be dipped into the throttle as far. Also, with shorter gearing, torque multiplication is greater, so the engine doesn't have to work as hard, thus again, reducing the amount of throttle needed. Surferx over at TI gets better gas milage with his type R now after doing the 4.785 FD, and making 190 at the wheels than when his <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> was stock. I'll say this one more time, and do so a little more clearly so you get it better this time: I GET BETTER MILAGE NOW WITH A FULL TYPE R SWAP (ENG/TRNY/ECU) THAN BACK WHEN I HAD THE ORIGINAL LS MOTOR. It's a fact. I've got fuel records to show it. The taller gearing in the LS tranny doesn't multiply the torque as much as, thus making the engine work harder to maintain 80 mph.
Yes, shorter gears will improve acceleration. But you can only accelerate if you have grip. NO? the point of using the 4.266 FD would be to reduce the torque multiplication giving better possible grip off the line... And more time accelerating, less time shifting. Funny how my friend runs slower .25 times now with the turbo on his type R.
thats a cute challenge. Posting a topic here and having people respond that fully understand what they're talking about will get things nowhere and only spread false info. Feel free though to post your feelings about this over at team integra ... and you'll see how it feels to get your *** flamed like a gay man while being set straight on the topic.
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so your telling me if i run a ls motor with a gsr tranny i wont have grip? were not talking about forced induction here. if you know how to drive your car, youll know what rpm to launch at without too much tirespin(not saying you dont know how to drive) im not just talking about launching.
hey since your the moderator at team-integra that makes you know it all. okay. youve seen cars go faster with ls tranny, ive seen them go faster with gsr tranny.
little proof from other members.
ill just end it at ill believe what i want, and you can believe what you want.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=527889
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549381
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=174397
Take a look at a fuel map some time. you'll notice that fuel delivery is based on trottle position, not just RPM. So at cruise you burn a negligible, if any amount more fuel at 500 more rpm. Why? b/c the engine is making a little more power so you don't have to be dipped into the throttle as far. Also, with shorter gearing, torque multiplication is greater, so the engine doesn't have to work as hard, thus again, reducing the amount of throttle needed. Surferx over at TI gets better gas milage with his type R now after doing the 4.785 FD, and making 190 at the wheels than when his <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> was stock. I'll say this one more time, and do so a little more clearly so you get it better this time: I GET BETTER MILAGE NOW WITH A FULL TYPE R SWAP (ENG/TRNY/ECU) THAN BACK WHEN I HAD THE ORIGINAL LS MOTOR. It's a fact. I've got fuel records to show it. The taller gearing in the LS tranny doesn't multiply the torque as much as, thus making the engine work harder to maintain 80 mph.
Yes, shorter gears will improve acceleration. But you can only accelerate if you have grip. NO? the point of using the 4.266 FD would be to reduce the torque multiplication giving better possible grip off the line... And more time accelerating, less time shifting. Funny how my friend runs slower .25 times now with the turbo on his type R.
thats a cute challenge. Posting a topic here and having people respond that fully understand what they're talking about will get things nowhere and only spread false info. Feel free though to post your feelings about this over at team integra
... and you'll see how it feels to get your *** flamed like a gay man while being set straight on the topic. </TD></TR></TABLE>so your telling me if i run a ls motor with a gsr tranny i wont have grip? were not talking about forced induction here. if you know how to drive your car, youll know what rpm to launch at without too much tirespin(not saying you dont know how to drive) im not just talking about launching.
hey since your the moderator at team-integra that makes you know it all. okay. youve seen cars go faster with ls tranny, ive seen them go faster with gsr tranny.
little proof from other members.
ill just end it at ill believe what i want, and you can believe what you want.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=527889
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549381
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=174397
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Re: (-iLLuZioN-B18C1)
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so your telling me if i run a ls motor with a gsr tranny i wont have grip? were not talking about forced induction here. if you know how to drive your car, youll know what rpm to launch at without too much tirespin(not saying you dont know how to drive) im not just talking about launching.
hey since your the moderator at team-integra that makes you know it all. okay. youve seen cars go faster with ls tranny, ive seen them go faster with gsr tranny.
little proof from other members.
ill just end it at ill believe what i want, and you can believe what you want.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=527889
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549381
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=174397
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Those threads didnt really prove that gsr trannies are better over the ls tranny for fi because there are other variables to take into consideration. there were as many people who love there ls trannies as much as there were pple who love gsr trannies
so your telling me if i run a ls motor with a gsr tranny i wont have grip? were not talking about forced induction here. if you know how to drive your car, youll know what rpm to launch at without too much tirespin(not saying you dont know how to drive) im not just talking about launching.
hey since your the moderator at team-integra that makes you know it all. okay. youve seen cars go faster with ls tranny, ive seen them go faster with gsr tranny.
little proof from other members.
ill just end it at ill believe what i want, and you can believe what you want.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=527889
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549381
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=174397
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Those threads didnt really prove that gsr trannies are better over the ls tranny for fi because there are other variables to take into consideration. there were as many people who love there ls trannies as much as there were pple who love gsr trannies
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okay, i dont wanna post every thread in the archives, but let me quote some VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE members.
jinxproof99
-itr/b16/gsr in that order.
-itr or b16 tranny would be best for under 90mph. great for the stoplight warrior/street racer/autox'er. bad for top end/gas mileage. for the 1/4 mile i'd stick with the gsr. i'd use a ls only for highway races, 125mph and up.
(goes to prove my gas mileage statement)
-if your pimarily street driving, i would go for the gsr tranny. if your mainly interested in street drags(not top end), i'd go for the type r/b16 tranny. the ls will give you the most top end(highway racing). i had a 360 hsp street civic and i ran all three trannys. the gsr was probably best for doing all three(street/strip/top end). approaching 400+ hsp i would highly recomend the hybrid trannys(gsr w/ ls final drive or ls w/gsr 4th and 5th).
tony1
-I'd go with a gsr tranny. The b16 will actually accelerate quicker, but with the low redline of the ls motor you'll be shifting into 5th on the track. DIRep ran a 12.8 on street tires with a stock ls motor and gsr tranny. Full interior street integra!
93LSivic
-Definetly go with GSR. I also busted a 12.7@110. This was in my Si hatch weighing in at 2600 with me and 1/4 tank gas. On that run I hit a 2.002 60' with 205/50/15 Azenis (23" diameter). Open diff'd gsr trans with act xtss clutch. Maxrev manifold with 57 trim t3t4e at 11 psi through a JB welded starion intercooler. I guess track temps that night were probably low 70's.
I did have to shift into 5th before the traps, so im thinking some valve springs and I would have stayed in 4th and ran probably a 12.5 since I fell out of boost during the upshift into 5th.....mph would have probably stayed the same if not maybe 111, but doubtfully.
-I might as well chime in. I voted for GSR. Your <A TITLE="Click for more information about <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> is accelerating faster. People say LS you are in gear longer, blah blah--when really your just accelerating slower. Also with the GSR you will stay in boost after you shift, and for the vtec guys, you will stay in VTEC after you shift.
DIRep972
-kinda. I can tell u alot changed between my 13.0 and 12.8 runs.
on the 13.0 I wieghed 2750, was running 13.2 psi of boost, tuned on Vaportrails map, LS tranny, Revhard kit w/ garret 57 trim and it was about 40degrees that night @ the track. went 13.089 @ 109.99 w/ a mid 2.0 60'
on the 12.8 I wieghed 2615, was running 11.8 psi of boost, tuned on my street map(lost vaportrails map ), GSR tranny, Full-Race manifold w/ precision SC34(57trim) and it was about 90 degrees @ the track. went 12.89 @ 109.3 w/ a low 2.0 60'
I really can't vouch that the GSR tranny is what did the trick, but I will tell you from the butt-dyno that I would do it all over again. the boost was probably cancelled out w/ the wieght, and the manifold was prolly cancelled out w/ the temp's so that only leaves one thing left.
Arturbo
-Im kinda tired of beating this topic to death, but I would choose the GSR tranny any day.
VaporTrail
-you guys keep going with the LS trannies, save the shorter geared trans for those of us who know how acceleration works.
I'll post some info here
B16a gears
1st: 3.23
2nd: 2.105
3rd: 1.458
4th: 1.107
5th: 0.875
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.4
GSR
1st: 3.23
2nd: 1.9
3rd: 1.36
4th: 1.034
5th: 0.787
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.4
LS
1st: 3.23
2nd: 1.9
3rd: 1.269
4th: 0.966
5th: 0.714
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.266
ITR
1st: 3.23
2nd: 2.105
3rd: 1.458
4th: 1.107
5th: 0.848
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.4
Compare the numbers. Resources provided by http://www.hondaswap.com
Shorter final = faster acceleration, sacrificing top speed
okay, all of this information are in gsr vs ls transmission threads. now to say those members do not know what they are talking about, ive just quoted some of the most knowledgeable members on honda-tech (IMO)
pythonScott , can you further explain yourself against these statements?
I wanna try to understand where you and team-integra are coming from.
jinxproof99
-itr/b16/gsr in that order.
-itr or b16 tranny would be best for under 90mph. great for the stoplight warrior/street racer/autox'er. bad for top end/gas mileage. for the 1/4 mile i'd stick with the gsr. i'd use a ls only for highway races, 125mph and up.
(goes to prove my gas mileage statement)
-if your pimarily street driving, i would go for the gsr tranny. if your mainly interested in street drags(not top end), i'd go for the type r/b16 tranny. the ls will give you the most top end(highway racing). i had a 360 hsp street civic and i ran all three trannys. the gsr was probably best for doing all three(street/strip/top end). approaching 400+ hsp i would highly recomend the hybrid trannys(gsr w/ ls final drive or ls w/gsr 4th and 5th).
tony1
-I'd go with a gsr tranny. The b16 will actually accelerate quicker, but with the low redline of the ls motor you'll be shifting into 5th on the track. DIRep ran a 12.8 on street tires with a stock ls motor and gsr tranny. Full interior street integra!
93LSivic
-Definetly go with GSR. I also busted a 12.7@110. This was in my Si hatch weighing in at 2600 with me and 1/4 tank gas. On that run I hit a 2.002 60' with 205/50/15 Azenis (23" diameter). Open diff'd gsr trans with act xtss clutch. Maxrev manifold with 57 trim t3t4e at 11 psi through a JB welded starion intercooler. I guess track temps that night were probably low 70's.
I did have to shift into 5th before the traps, so im thinking some valve springs and I would have stayed in 4th and ran probably a 12.5 since I fell out of boost during the upshift into 5th.....mph would have probably stayed the same if not maybe 111, but doubtfully.
-I might as well chime in. I voted for GSR. Your <A TITLE="Click for more information about <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> is accelerating faster. People say LS you are in gear longer, blah blah--when really your just accelerating slower. Also with the GSR you will stay in boost after you shift, and for the vtec guys, you will stay in VTEC after you shift.
DIRep972
-kinda. I can tell u alot changed between my 13.0 and 12.8 runs.
on the 13.0 I wieghed 2750, was running 13.2 psi of boost, tuned on Vaportrails map, LS tranny, Revhard kit w/ garret 57 trim and it was about 40degrees that night @ the track. went 13.089 @ 109.99 w/ a mid 2.0 60'
on the 12.8 I wieghed 2615, was running 11.8 psi of boost, tuned on my street map(lost vaportrails map ), GSR tranny, Full-Race manifold w/ precision SC34(57trim) and it was about 90 degrees @ the track. went 12.89 @ 109.3 w/ a low 2.0 60'
I really can't vouch that the GSR tranny is what did the trick, but I will tell you from the butt-dyno that I would do it all over again. the boost was probably cancelled out w/ the wieght, and the manifold was prolly cancelled out w/ the temp's so that only leaves one thing left.
Arturbo
-Im kinda tired of beating this topic to death, but I would choose the GSR tranny any day.
VaporTrail
-you guys keep going with the LS trannies, save the shorter geared trans for those of us who know how acceleration works.
I'll post some info here
B16a gears
1st: 3.23
2nd: 2.105
3rd: 1.458
4th: 1.107
5th: 0.875
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.4
GSR
1st: 3.23
2nd: 1.9
3rd: 1.36
4th: 1.034
5th: 0.787
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.4
LS
1st: 3.23
2nd: 1.9
3rd: 1.269
4th: 0.966
5th: 0.714
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.266
ITR
1st: 3.23
2nd: 2.105
3rd: 1.458
4th: 1.107
5th: 0.848
6th (if availble): 0
Reverse: 0
Final Drive: 4.4
Compare the numbers. Resources provided by http://www.hondaswap.com
Shorter final = faster acceleration, sacrificing top speed
okay, all of this information are in gsr vs ls transmission threads. now to say those members do not know what they are talking about, ive just quoted some of the most knowledgeable members on honda-tech (IMO)
pythonScott , can you further explain yourself against these statements?
I wanna try to understand where you and team-integra are coming from.
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Re: (-iLLuZioN-B18C1)
My basic thoughts on this are:
where is your powerband, and are you turbo or n/a?
as well, there a couple issues we're dealing with here: racing vs cruising and turbo vs na.
The goal of my original post was to put in a voice against the thought that the GSR tranny is better no matter what for boost. As well as say that I know from my and other peoples experience that shorter gearing doesn't always = worse gas milage @ cruise even though it seems counter intuitive at first, and it didn't make sense
to me till I looked at a fuel map. I'm sure we can agree the more time you spend in Vtec the worse gas milage you'll get, and that city driving will yeild worse gas milage than cruising.
the great thing about b series trannys is the ablity to mix and match gears and final drives so that you can come up with the ideal set up for the type of racing that you're doing. If you know what your goal is you can set up a tranny accordingly. So another reason I'm against the blaket statement that one certain tranny is better than another is that it tends to take away from the fact that you can mix and match. In my opinion, for what ever type of driving someone is doing, the spacing of the 1-5 gear set of the R/b16 is definatey the most well spaced set... and then, choose a final drive to match your setup. for NA I most definately would use the 4.4 or 4.785 FD. but for turbo I'd use the 4.266 FD. Thats one thing I admire about the GSR featured in the latest SCC. Sure there are plenty of other tegs out there that have more crazy turbo setups and look more sleeper, but I thought the choice of tranny gearing whas right on: he chose the R gearing mated to the LS 4.266.
The reason I pointed out that I'm a mod over at team integra was b/c you called me out as a noob. The point was to show that just b/c you have 700+ post and I only had 25 doesn't mean I have no experience in what I'm talking about. I don't know it all.
While I agree that knowing how to launch you car is critical to getting good times at the drags, my friend with the turbo R would have an easier time pulling off bettet times with a taller FD. It would also give that little more time to spend in boost before shifting. Sure, if you run an NA LS with a gsr tranny you'll have grip. That friend of mine has one runs better .25 time b/c of it. So like I said above it's all how match the tranny to your set up.
Over at TI.net we've got a gear ratio calculator that you can plug any gear #'s into and play with. I'll get a link to it up soon. If this post doesn't address every thing you wanted, I appologize. I'm on break here at an aviation school and I have to change mindsets between airplanes and cars.
where is your powerband, and are you turbo or n/a?
as well, there a couple issues we're dealing with here: racing vs cruising and turbo vs na.
The goal of my original post was to put in a voice against the thought that the GSR tranny is better no matter what for boost. As well as say that I know from my and other peoples experience that shorter gearing doesn't always = worse gas milage @ cruise even though it seems counter intuitive at first, and it didn't make sense
to me till I looked at a fuel map. I'm sure we can agree the more time you spend in Vtec the worse gas milage you'll get, and that city driving will yeild worse gas milage than cruising.
the great thing about b series trannys is the ablity to mix and match gears and final drives so that you can come up with the ideal set up for the type of racing that you're doing. If you know what your goal is you can set up a tranny accordingly. So another reason I'm against the blaket statement that one certain tranny is better than another is that it tends to take away from the fact that you can mix and match. In my opinion, for what ever type of driving someone is doing, the spacing of the 1-5 gear set of the R/b16 is definatey the most well spaced set... and then, choose a final drive to match your setup. for NA I most definately would use the 4.4 or 4.785 FD. but for turbo I'd use the 4.266 FD. Thats one thing I admire about the GSR featured in the latest SCC. Sure there are plenty of other tegs out there that have more crazy turbo setups and look more sleeper, but I thought the choice of tranny gearing whas right on: he chose the R gearing mated to the LS 4.266.
The reason I pointed out that I'm a mod over at team integra was b/c you called me out as a noob. The point was to show that just b/c you have 700+ post and I only had 25 doesn't mean I have no experience in what I'm talking about. I don't know it all.
While I agree that knowing how to launch you car is critical to getting good times at the drags, my friend with the turbo R would have an easier time pulling off bettet times with a taller FD. It would also give that little more time to spend in boost before shifting. Sure, if you run an NA LS with a gsr tranny you'll have grip. That friend of mine has one runs better .25 time b/c of it. So like I said above it's all how match the tranny to your set up.
Over at TI.net we've got a gear ratio calculator that you can plug any gear #'s into and play with. I'll get a link to it up soon. If this post doesn't address every thing you wanted, I appologize. I'm on break here at an aviation school and I have to change mindsets between airplanes and cars.
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i have an ls tranny on my gsr...its not worth the time or the money...stick wit the gsr...gear ratios are too long...ur okie in the long run...but as soon as u hit 100mph...it lags...BTW....anyone selling a gsr tranny in good workin condition....or want to buy an ls tranny (96 wit 40k on it...perfect....)
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