alright when i got my motor it was on tdc and it started but ran like donkey ****. and i retimed it and the closest i can get is like 3-4 degrees left of the middle of the three. and now it wont even start. what confuses me is that tdc is like 16-18 degrees off of where it should be and it ran like that and where i have it now is only like 5-7 degrees off and it wont start. and just so i know for future reference how many degrees is one tooth if its off.

thnx

lol its an lsvtec btw

 

why can't u time it right? get some 5mm pin punches for the cams and leave the ratchet attached to the pulley bolt so it doesn't move unless you move it, keep your hand on it if it moves but it shouldn't. and tdc is the lone mark btw, you align it with the mark on ur cover.

 

i dont want it on tdc i want it on the middle of the three

 

so u can use the gun and time it right? well if ur timing is correct than u should be at btdc when you need it to be

 

So when the motor is off, put the crank on TDC. It's the single mark on the crank pulley and it should line up with the two tabs on the timing belt cover. Now you have to pull your upper timing cover off and look at your cam gear. The two marks that are 180 off should be lined up with the top of the head (the valve cover mating surface). If they are not then you're off by one or more teeth. This can cause a car not to start and it can also bend valves and ruin an engine.
If you're talking about trying to time the car while running and you can't get it to the 18 degree BTDC mark (the middle mark of the group of three) then either you have a different cam in the head (Y8 and Z6 cams are clocked differently hence the need for an adjustable cam gear when swapping a Y8 head on to an older D15/D16). OR the more common reason is that you've jumped a tooth or two on the timing belt. If this has happened I recommend test your compression and replacing your timing belt and tensioner. Let us know what you find.

 

im a little confused i have an lsvtec?
and i keep trying and when i tighten it back up its either by the three lines a couple of degrees or on tdc which is one tooth apart. maybe you should give me step by step how you guys time.

 

Search, these guys have already told you, if its ls/v then that's great it might be a little bit off but it will run fine, thus aftermarket cam gears, time it the way they do told you and it will work, if you want to do it your way then fine it won't work, search it you might find something somewhere but this is the only way i have ever seen honda timing done.

 

thanks but im not trying to be a dick