Im debating whether or not to get a short shifter but i have heard some different things about them. While ive heard they work great and are really cool Ive also heard they make it easier to "beat" the synchros wich can ruin them.

My question is if i got one would it make it so i beat the syncros a lot? I dont rly slam it into gears real fast or anything i just wanna know if its worth it

 

Yes, a short shifing action is nice, but it won't have much if any affect on shifting speed, it's more about the feel good factor (for a car with a road car gearbox, as opposed to a 'proper' racing box).

If you have weak synchros then you might find it easier to 'beat' them with a short shifter, but then in that case you'd probably be able to easily beat them with the stock shifter.

The box itself will be unaffected and still change gear just as fast or slow as it did with the stock shifter (unless the box was capable of changing very fast, and the limiting factor was how fast you could move the lever, which is only likely with a racing box, IMO).

However, if you do find that you crunch the gears then you will need to adjust your shifting style, just another not so big learning curve...

 

alright well as far as i know my synchros arent weak. i only grinded gears when i was first learning and for a 12 yr old car its got about 83k miles on it... so i think i might go for it then, thanks

 

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not true. short shifters (if you know how to shift correctly) can, and will make your car drive faster.. it will not increase HP or TQ but it WILL greatly reduce the amount of shift time. if i still had the video of my integra, i had a custom short shifter and it sound like an automatic it shifts so quickly, not to mention when your motor is higher in rpms it will push into the next gear a little harder

example.. put it in second gear, push the clutch in, and rev it. then let go of the clutch and you feel it jump forward.. short shifting uses the same concept during a race.

 

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Then that particular box will shift quickly, not all will. My shifting technique is fairly honed (not intending to brag), heel / toe is pretty much automatic after all these years, and I rarely get it wrong (i.e. shifts are smooth with correctly matched rpm). I can shift a stock shifter pretty much as quickly as I can with my short shifter, but it's much more pleasant with the short shifter, less effort involved (so I'm lazy...).

What helps with fast shifts more than a short shifter is closely spaced ratios in the box. For downshifting the limiting factor for shift speed tends to be the rate at which the rpm will rise when 'blipping' the throttle when 'rev matching', which is strongly affected by flywheel mass.

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The 'jump' you're referring to (I think) is a result of the flywheel not allowing rpm to drop quickly enough to achieve a smooth upshift (i.e. flywhel too heavy). If you change gear like this a lot then it can be pretty hard on the clutch and gearbox.

 

i just drove a rx7 the other day. the short shifter was so short i miss shifted about twice. after driving it i dont think ima get a short shift(one that short) any time soon. just a little input hope it helps

 

yeah one of my buddies has a gsr with a built motor n it has a short shifter. i mis shifted a couple times but my foot was still on the clutch so i cought it. im not a fan of them but to each his own

 

I have one in my car, and i would hate to not have it! After a day or two, it doesnt feel any different, you just get used to it. I installed one on my brothers car 99 mistubishi eclipse. If you buy one, get a good one not some ebay junk because you will have to end up buying a good one when the junk one doesnt work.

 

Assuming you all are not talking about the short shift adapters (hunk of metal that bolts to stock shifter ebay $10) then the actual full on replacements I really haven't heard many problems with.

Pspec and 4bidden are the two main shifters for Accords, but it doesn't look like you list your year car so I'm not sure if they make them for your application.

If you are talking about the $10 adapter then I have heard of the shift lines snapping with them, there's quite a few posts on that if you do a search on the forums. It's just because they're cheaply made and not a true replacement.

 

i have an OBX addapter on my 93. It relocates the linkage up about 1"1/4. It did not change left to right movement. but i have had it for 3 years and no problems.

 

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My short shifter is a modified stock shifter, and it works very well. If you want to shorten the lateral throw, you need to cut the short vertical lever associated with the left side cable, and weld in an extension. The longer this lever is the shorter the lateral throw will be (also the stiffer it will be).

 

well none of your answered my question haha but ill probly just go for a nice brand name forbidden