Another new turbo install prob.

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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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Default Another new turbo install prob.

Tried searching but nothing really applied to the problem i'm having.

Setup:
92 Prelude Si
JDM H22a swap
Small Garrett "M10" T3 turbo internally gated
FMIC w 2.5" piping
Blox FMU 12:1
HKS knockoff bov
NGK BKR7ES plugs gapped at .033

Just finished installing my "junkyard turbo" setup. And just like everyone else, i wanted to go around the block a few times to see if it would hold boost/see if there were any problems.

Car does ok until it starts to build boost once it reaches about 3lbs and above it kinda sputters and runs like **** and def feels like its losing power. Does it at WOT and 50% throttle, doesn't matter. Does the same thing with and w/o the FMU hooked up same problem.

Before it get flammed and everyone tells me i need to ditch the fmu and get a real tuning software, those are my intentions, but $50 for the fmu seemed more reasonable right now to get the car running than forking all of the money out for the hondata.

Any ideas?...
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Another new turbo install prob. (cmwright1986)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cmwright1986 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
NGK BKR7ES plugs gapped at .033
Does the same thing with and w/o the FMU hooked up same problem.
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right there are 2 problems. not bitching about the fmu being there, but you cant make up the fuel you need w/o it.

you have a missing link?
.033 a little fat for the gap?

you have an air fuel gauge?
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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right, i know its not gonna make up the fuel w/o it, i just uninstalled it for a few mins to see if maybe it wasnt installed right, and it made no difference.

yea i thought about goin a lil tighter on the plug gap, like between .028-.030 what do you think.

missing link; no

a/f gauge; as of right now all i have is a narrowband, so basically no on that also lol.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cmwright1986 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">right, i know its not gonna make up the fuel w/o it, i just uninstalled it for a few mins to see if maybe it wasnt installed right, and it made no difference.

yea i thought about goin a lil tighter on the plug gap, like between .028-.030 what do you think.

missing link; no

a/f gauge; as of right now all i have is a narrowband, so basically no on that also lol.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you should search missing link. I've never done it this way, but i do believe that you need it as it keeps your map sensor from seeing the boost. Which is likely why you are breaking up.... a proper base map &gt; fmu
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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from what i understand the stock map sensor only has problems when it reads over somethin like 11.3lbs of boost...the most i've seen my boost gauge read is about 8lbs.

so i didnt think i would need a missing link...

and i know a FMU is teh piece of **** compared to a proper tuning software lol
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cmwright1986 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from what i understand the stock map sensor only has problems when it reads over somethin like 11.3lbs of boost...the most i've seen my boost gauge read is about 8lbs.

so i didnt think i would need a missing link...

and i know a FMU is teh piece of **** compared to a proper tuning software lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bolded is the root of your problems - your parts and your ignorance.

The stock ECU will throw a CEL and go to a sort of limp mode every time it sees boost over 1psi. When running an FMU and an unchipped ECU, you have to use a missing link to keep the MAP sensor from seeing any boost. A chipped ECU with the right software can read to ~11psi on the stock sensor.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 10:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Bolded is the root of your problems - your parts and your ignorance.

The stock ECU will throw a CEL and go to a sort of limp mode every time it sees boost over 1psi. When running an FMU and an unchipped ECU, you have to use a missing link to keep the MAP sensor from seeing any boost. A chipped ECU with the right software can read to ~11psi on the stock sensor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is all true

so you will need a missing link if u want to run your FMU

it is really not that expensive to get a chipped ecu and run obd1
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 11:14 PM
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hmm i didnt know that it was any kind of positive pressure...like i said i thought it just gave you problems when it was over like 11lbs lol. oops
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 05:42 AM
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Yeah you don't have to go with Hondata BTW. Neptune or Crome will work and both are cheaper then Hondata.
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