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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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My suspension is slightly off due either to a previous accident or from being towed onto a flatbed w/o wheels after getting stolen. Alignment shops have gotten it close enough that the car drives straight and handles fine, but after some spirited driving on windy roads and such, the rear tires show wear on the outside edge. I was wondering if there is an alignment kit (either toe or camber) to correct the tire wear. I don't know how to interpret the alignment specs so here they are. Oh, and is a ball joint adjustment kit really necessary for the front if it's only lowered 0.75"?

left rear camber
actual: -0.6"
before: -0.7"
Specified range: -2.0" 0.0"

left rear toe
actual: 0.93"
before: 0.99"
specified range: 0.04" 0.16"

The previous section was circled and noted: "Maxed out" "possibly bent"

right rear camber
actual: -1.0"
before: -1.0"
specified range: -2.0" 0.0"

right rear toe
actual: 0.10"
before: -0.13"
specified range: 0.04" 0.16"

cross camber
actual: 0.4"
before: 0.4"

total toe
actual: 1.03"
before: 0.84"
specified range: 0.08" 0.32"

thrust angle
actual: 0.42"
before: 0.37"

Thanks

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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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Default Re: rear alignment problem (non vtec)

toe on rear left is way out.something it probably bent
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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have them do a quick suspension check up
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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Well they said they would need to hang/mount all these instruments to really figure out what's wrong because it's too subtle to see with the naked eye. That's where the labor cost shoots up.
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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Default Re: rear alignment problem (non vtec)

You can buy adjustable-length compensator arms (rear toe links), which should help with your problem, but you have to take care when installing so as to not lose the captured slider nut inside the frame. I almost never recommend removing a compensator arm completely from the car, but in that case you have no choice.

It's a bit of a hack job, but if you won't spend the money or time to fix it properly (i.e. sourcing a complete left rear suspension assembly from an undamaged car and possibly buying some time on a frame machine), then it's your only option and should work well enough.

The rear camber is fine; dont worry about it.

I wouldn't bother touching the front other than to set the toe.
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 02:16 PM
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hey, thanks alot. normally i would try to replace the parts, but with the condition it is in now it's just not worth it.
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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something is bent. a lot of the time you can tell bent pieces by looking at gaps between certain points. there are a few common pieces that bend very easily but with out seeing your car its hard to tell. take it to a dealer and have them check it out. you may pay a half hour diag, but its better than having hacked up suspension components.
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 06:57 PM
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Usually it's the trailing arm, lower control arm, or subframe that's bent. '96-00 Civics have pretty flimsy rear lower control arms; I've seen several that had waves in them.
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