Upgraded Radiator
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Upgraded Radiator
I just did a JDM GSR swap in my integra. I have the usual mods h/i/e ngk wires and hondata. I was wondering if it is really worth it to go to an upgraded Radiator such as Koyo w flex-a-lite fans, and would I notice any differece in the power. Any advice will be appreciated.
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You will notice better performance if you run a little cooler. If you are having colling problems run de-ionized water and water wetter in the summer months rather than a coolant water mix 
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Re: Upgraded Radiator (Lan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You will notice better performance if you run a little cooler. If you are having colling problems run de-ionized water and water wetter in the summer months rather than a coolant water mix </TD></TR></TABLE>
if the stock thermostat switch is used then the engine will still run at the same temp, different radiator or not. people run stock radiators with turbo setups and seem to work ok, so i think its a waste of money to upgrade if your stock radiator doesn't have any problems.
</TD></TR></TABLE>if the stock thermostat switch is used then the engine will still run at the same temp, different radiator or not. people run stock radiators with turbo setups and seem to work ok, so i think its a waste of money to upgrade if your stock radiator doesn't have any problems.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator (civicdxtyper)
The only reason why people gain power with a cooler running engine is because it allows them to advance thier ignition timing
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA9 Purist »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only reason why people gain power with a cooler running engine is because it allows them to advance thier ignition timing</TD></TR></TABLE>
the engine will still be running at the same temperature, like i said before; the thermostat switch is what really controls the temperature. you can get as big of a radiator as you want, but unless you change the thermostat switch, the engine temperature will not be affected.
the engine will still be running at the same temperature, like i said before; the thermostat switch is what really controls the temperature. you can get as big of a radiator as you want, but unless you change the thermostat switch, the engine temperature will not be affected.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator (civicdxtyper)
The flex a lite fans that i bought have the thermostat control. Conserdering that I have this and will be able to adjust will i be able to make a little bit more power and have my engine run a little bit cooler? Once again I have the koyo denso radiator. Thanks alot for the help
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicdxtyper »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the engine will still be running at the same temperature, like i said before; the thermostat switch is what really controls the temperature. you can get as big of a radiator as you want, but unless you change the thermostat switch, the engine temperature will not be affected.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Did you quote me earlier because you disagreed? What you are saying about the switch is correct but a larger core radiator flows a lot better than stock ones. The technology of radiators is pretty amazing actually, a high quality radiator can actually prevent you from having to use a thermostat switch because it can run very cool compared to the stock Honda radiator. To the OP, get a lower temp thermostat switch like civicdxtyper recommended or run de-ionized water with water wetter, either one can help you run about 20 degrees cooler if not more
Did you quote me earlier because you disagreed? What you are saying about the switch is correct but a larger core radiator flows a lot better than stock ones. The technology of radiators is pretty amazing actually, a high quality radiator can actually prevent you from having to use a thermostat switch because it can run very cool compared to the stock Honda radiator. To the OP, get a lower temp thermostat switch like civicdxtyper recommended or run de-ionized water with water wetter, either one can help you run about 20 degrees cooler if not more
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Did you quote me earlier because you disagreed? What you are saying about the switch is correct but a larger core radiator flows a lot better than stock ones. The technology of radiators is pretty amazing actually, a high quality radiator can actually prevent you from having to use a thermostat switch because it can run very cool compared to the stock Honda radiator. To the OP, get a lower temp thermostat switch like civicdxtyper recommended or run de-ionized water with water wetter, either one can help you run about 20 degrees cooler if not more </TD></TR></TABLE>
Running a lower temperature is not going to improve your performance... Honda set those thermostats to open and close at certain temps and lowering the temperature will not improve performance. If your car is overheating for whatever reason than improving your radiator and cooling devices is obviously recommended...
You should not upgrade your radiator, you will not get any better performance and just because you have some basic mods doesn't mean your car is going to be much hotter.
Did you quote me earlier because you disagreed? What you are saying about the switch is correct but a larger core radiator flows a lot better than stock ones. The technology of radiators is pretty amazing actually, a high quality radiator can actually prevent you from having to use a thermostat switch because it can run very cool compared to the stock Honda radiator. To the OP, get a lower temp thermostat switch like civicdxtyper recommended or run de-ionized water with water wetter, either one can help you run about 20 degrees cooler if not more
</TD></TR></TABLE>Running a lower temperature is not going to improve your performance... Honda set those thermostats to open and close at certain temps and lowering the temperature will not improve performance. If your car is overheating for whatever reason than improving your radiator and cooling devices is obviously recommended...
You should not upgrade your radiator, you will not get any better performance and just because you have some basic mods doesn't mean your car is going to be much hotter.
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Re: Upgraded Radiator (GSROAR)
the better radiators definitely help cool the motor more efficiently however most Honda motors don't run hot in the first place to require one.
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Running a lower temperature is not going to improve your performance... Honda set those thermostats to open and close at certain temps and lowering the temperature will not improve performance. If your car is overheating for whatever reason than improving your radiator and cooling devices is obviously recommended...
You should not upgrade your radiator, you will not get any better performance and just because you have some basic mods doesn't mean your car is going to be much hotter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The thermostat doesn't close once the motor is running, they stay open until the motor is shut off and cooled down.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSROAR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Running a lower temperature is not going to improve your performance... Honda set those thermostats to open and close at certain temps and lowering the temperature will not improve performance. If your car is overheating for whatever reason than improving your radiator and cooling devices is obviously recommended...
You should not upgrade your radiator, you will not get any better performance and just because you have some basic mods doesn't mean your car is going to be much hotter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The thermostat doesn't close once the motor is running, they stay open until the motor is shut off and cooled down.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skunked »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the better radiators definitely help cool the motor more efficiently however most Honda motors don't run hot in the first place to require one.
The thermostat doesn't close once the motor is running, they stay open until the motor is shut off and cooled down.
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He never said it closes all the way when the car is running.. The thermostat adjusts to the temperature of the coolant... So if the coolant is cooler, than it will be restricting more flow than if the coolant is hotter...
<U>Bottom line</U> you don't need some fancy radiator.......
The thermostat doesn't close once the motor is running, they stay open until the motor is shut off and cooled down.
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He never said it closes all the way when the car is running.. The thermostat adjusts to the temperature of the coolant... So if the coolant is cooler, than it will be restricting more flow than if the coolant is hotter...
<U>Bottom line</U> you don't need some fancy radiator.......
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He never said it closes all the way when the car is running.. The thermostat adjusts to the temperature of the coolant... So if the coolant is cooler, than it will be restricting more flow than if the coolant is hotter...
<U>Bottom line</U> you don't need some fancy radiator.......
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no, not really. Those thermostats open and stay open when the motor is running. They don't close at all when the motor is running unless maybe your in below freezing conditions. I wouldn't spend the money on a fancy radiator either but I wouldn't say they don't cool the motor more efficiently either.
He never said it closes all the way when the car is running.. The thermostat adjusts to the temperature of the coolant... So if the coolant is cooler, than it will be restricting more flow than if the coolant is hotter...
<U>Bottom line</U> you don't need some fancy radiator.......
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no, not really. Those thermostats open and stay open when the motor is running. They don't close at all when the motor is running unless maybe your in below freezing conditions. I wouldn't spend the money on a fancy radiator either but I wouldn't say they don't cool the motor more efficiently either.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSROAR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Running a lower temperature is not going to improve your performance... Honda set those thermostats to open and close at certain temps and lowering the temperature will not improve performance. If your car is overheating for whatever reason than improving your radiator and cooling devices is obviously recommended...
You should not upgrade your radiator, you will not get any better performance and just because you have some basic mods doesn't mean your car is going to be much hotter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lowering your engine temp by a few degrees will ALWAYS help. Why do you think higher performance cars like to run cooler? Mugen, Spoon, Napa, you name it, sell aftermarket lower temp thermostats for a reason.
You should not upgrade your radiator, you will not get any better performance and just because you have some basic mods doesn't mean your car is going to be much hotter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lowering your engine temp by a few degrees will ALWAYS help. Why do you think higher performance cars like to run cooler? Mugen, Spoon, Napa, you name it, sell aftermarket lower temp thermostats for a reason.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Lowering your engine temp by a few degrees will ALWAYS help. Why do you think higher performance cars like to run cooler? Mugen, Spoon, Napa, you name it, sell aftermarket lower temp thermostats for a reason.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think GSROAR was just answering the op's question; him getting an aftermarket radiator and fans will not help him at this point. we're not really debating whether aftermarket radiators or thermostat switches work better than oem or not; that's not the original question.
Lowering your engine temp by a few degrees will ALWAYS help. Why do you think higher performance cars like to run cooler? Mugen, Spoon, Napa, you name it, sell aftermarket lower temp thermostats for a reason.
</TD></TR></TABLE>i think GSROAR was just answering the op's question; him getting an aftermarket radiator and fans will not help him at this point. we're not really debating whether aftermarket radiators or thermostat switches work better than oem or not; that's not the original question.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Lowering your engine temp by a few degrees will ALWAYS help. Why do you think higher performance cars like to run cooler? Mugen, Spoon, Napa, you name it, sell aftermarket lower temp thermostats for a reason.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Those products are made so douchebags like you will buy them and they can make money.. There isn't any thing special about them.. If running a thermostat that makes the water temperature cooler than why isn't honda developing them and putting them in the cars to begin with. Mugen, Spoon, and Napa are top performance aftermarket companies???, ya for ricers.. LoL stfu and hit yourself with a hammer, ***...
Lowering your engine temp by a few degrees will ALWAYS help. Why do you think higher performance cars like to run cooler? Mugen, Spoon, Napa, you name it, sell aftermarket lower temp thermostats for a reason.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Those products are made so douchebags like you will buy them and they can make money.. There isn't any thing special about them.. If running a thermostat that makes the water temperature cooler than why isn't honda developing them and putting them in the cars to begin with. Mugen, Spoon, and Napa are top performance aftermarket companies???, ya for ricers.. LoL stfu and hit yourself with a hammer, ***...
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the engine will still be running at the same temperature, like i said before; the thermostat switch is what really controls the temperature. you can get as big of a radiator as you want, but unless you change the thermostat switch, the engine temperature will not be affected.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, there's only a temperature sending unit (which gives a visual readout of hot/cool your vehicle is running) and a temperature switch, which controls when the fans turn on and off. There is no switch that dictates when the thermostat will open and close (if in fact that is what you're trying to say, maybe I'm wrong, though). The thermostat is a completeley mechanical unit.
the engine will still be running at the same temperature, like i said before; the thermostat switch is what really controls the temperature. you can get as big of a radiator as you want, but unless you change the thermostat switch, the engine temperature will not be affected.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok, there's only a temperature sending unit (which gives a visual readout of hot/cool your vehicle is running) and a temperature switch, which controls when the fans turn on and off. There is no switch that dictates when the thermostat will open and close (if in fact that is what you're trying to say, maybe I'm wrong, though). The thermostat is a completeley mechanical unit.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSROAR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Those products are made so douchebags like you will buy them and they can make money.. There isn't any thing special about them.. If running a thermostat that makes the water temperature cooler than why isn't honda developing them and putting them in the cars to begin with. Mugen, Spoon, and Napa are top performance aftermarket companies???, ya for ricers.. LoL stfu and hit yourself with a hammer, ***...</TD></TR></TABLE>
you should stop spending time hating on people and try understanding how a coolant system works. Lower temp thermostats open @ a lower temp in effort to keep the motor cooler.
Personally I don't run a thermostat, see if you can figure that one out smart guy
Those products are made so douchebags like you will buy them and they can make money.. There isn't any thing special about them.. If running a thermostat that makes the water temperature cooler than why isn't honda developing them and putting them in the cars to begin with. Mugen, Spoon, and Napa are top performance aftermarket companies???, ya for ricers.. LoL stfu and hit yourself with a hammer, ***...</TD></TR></TABLE>
you should stop spending time hating on people and try understanding how a coolant system works. Lower temp thermostats open @ a lower temp in effort to keep the motor cooler.
Personally I don't run a thermostat, see if you can figure that one out smart guy
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Re: Upgraded Radiator (GSROAR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSROAR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those products are made so douchebags like you will buy them and they can make money.. There isn't any thing special about them.. If running a thermostat that makes the water temperature cooler than why isn't honda developing them and putting them in the cars to begin with. Mugen, Spoon, and Napa are top performance aftermarket companies???, ya for ricers.. LoL stfu and hit yourself with a hammer, ***...</TD></TR></TABLE>
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