I'm thinking about running a stock B16a turbo (~12-14psi) with 91oct. pump gas on my daily driver. I would like to hear some feedback from poeple who are running water/methonal injection. The kit I'm looking at is from snow performance. Thank, Chris

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http://www.alkycontrol.com > snow

alkycontrol has fantastic customer service and is a better put together kit than the snow performance kit.

What turbo are you running? I would be more concerned with torching your ringlands with the power you'll make with that much boost opposed to just detonating.

 

The turbo has not been full decided yet, I would like to go GT35R so I don't have to keep upgrading turbos when I add more power. I'm probably only going to run about 300-350hp until I upgrade some things (valve springs, headgasket, rings).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Napoleon Dynamite &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What turbo are you running? I would be more concerned with torching your ringlands with the power you'll make with that much boost opposed to just detonating.</TD></TR></TABLE>

is there a solution for the ringlands problem on stock b16 without changing to forged pistons?

what i read was that the ringlands are the weakest part of the stock b16 when it comes to higher hp levels (&gt;300WHP)

i'am just curious if there are better ringlands available somewhere...

 

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is there a solution for the ringlands problem on stock b16 without changing to forged pistons?

what i read was that the ringlands are the weakest part of the stock b16 when it comes to higher hp levels (&gt;300WHP)

i'am just curious if there are better ringlands available somewhere...</TD></TR></TABLE>
The only soution I know of is to not detinate.

 

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ok, thats for sure a solution but i try to avoid detonation at any time with any kind of ringlends or pistons ;-)

but to answer to your original question, i think with a W/E injection you are quite secure for 12-13psi... i run 8psi at the moment without any W/E injection without no problems on a 140.000km B16A1 stock engine.

in the next few month i want to use a W/E injection and then turn up boost...
maybe you can give us a report if the engine holds the power...

Best regards
Malte.

 

I'm curious on how much effort it takes to tune water/methonal injection. I'll be using an AEM EMS. I'll probaby use the AEM EMS to control the solinoids instead of the veriable controller they offer. Any input on this?

 

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is there a solution for the ringlands problem on stock b16 without changing to forged pistons?

what i read was that the ringlands are the weakest part of the stock b16 when it comes to higher hp levels (&gt;300WHP)

i'am just curious if there are better ringlands available somewhere...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Go look at a piston. The rings are what seal the piston and the cylinder wall. The ringlands are the metal areas in between the rings. The ringlands are part of the piston, there is no way to make them stronger without going to a different piston.

I personally would NOT run more than 8, or maybe 10 pounds of boost into a stock B16 motor with a bigass turbo like a GT35R. I know people have done it, but I know lots of people who burn up motors with regularity like that. A friend of mine made 320 WHP at 12 psi on a stock B16 with a GT35E turbo, he busted the ringlands in 3 months on his first motor, 2 months on his second motor, and another 3 months on his third motor. All stock B16's, they didn't detonate, just the ringlands couldn't take the abuse. For the cost of a good methanol injection system you can buy a set of pistons, so lay off the alcohol, and save your money for a motor build while running 6, 7, 8 psi on a stock B16.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Napoleon Dynamite &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Go look at a piston. The rings are what seal the piston and the cylinder wall. The ringlands are the metal areas in between the rings. The ringlands are part of the piston, there is no way to make them stronger without going to a different piston.

I personally would NOT run more than 8, or maybe 10 pounds of boost into a stock B16 motor with a bigass turbo like a GT35R. I know people have done it, but I know lots of people who burn up motors with regularity like that. A friend of mine made 320 WHP at 12 psi on a stock B16 with a GT35E turbo, he busted the ringlands in 3 months on his first motor, 2 months on his second motor, and another 3 months on his third motor. All stock B16's, they didn't detonate, just the ringlands couldn't take the abuse. For the cost of a good methanol injection system you can buy a set of pistons, so lay off the alcohol, and save your money for a motor build while running 6, 7, 8 psi on a stock B16.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm going to run water/methonal injection to eliminate an intercooler also. I am the only person that i know of in my area that hasn't gotten the emission ticket. I don't want an intercooler sticking out the front on my bumper.

I don't know how much boost I'm going to run, hoping with the w/a injection I can run lower boost to acheave a higher horsepower goal. Either way weather its 8 psi or 14psi the ring lands will still be seeing about 300-350hp and will be under a lot of stress. I'm going to push it anyways. Thanks for the advise though.

 

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