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Replaced the dizzy, and i cant get timing to advance past 14 tdc ! help!

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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 08:55 PM
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Default Replaced the dizzy, and i cant get timing to advance past 14 tdc ! help!

Ok in my 93 civic, i replaced the distributor and ever since i just cant get the tdc to go past 14 when i turn it. The only way i know is to increase the idle, and since the idle screw on the tb doesnt do **** , i have to tighten the throttle linkage to raise the idle, and that gets the tdc where i want it to be but it has me worried because when i drive it and then put it in park the idle goes up and down up and down , so i loosen the throttle linkage and it stops but then my tdc goes back to 14 or less, and my gas mileage is still shitty. Please help , this is driving me crazy
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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or atleast were could i look it up to fix it
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Old Feb 9, 2005 | 11:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by srv3fender &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok in my 93 civic, i replaced the distributor and ever since i just cant get the tdc to go past 14 when i turn it. The only way i know is to increase the idle, and since the idle screw on the tb doesnt do **** , i have to tighten the throttle linkage to raise the idle, and that gets the tdc where i want it to be but it has me worried because when i drive it and then put it in park the idle goes up and down up and down , so i loosen the throttle linkage and it stops but then my tdc goes back to 14 or less, and my gas mileage is still shitty. Please help , this is driving me crazy</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like the cps on the new distributor was assembled incorrectly. Is this a reman unit?
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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 06:18 AM
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Did you jump the service connector while trying to adjust the timing ?
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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 10:22 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jmunk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you jump the service connector while trying to adjust the timing ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

historically, I have found the service connector to do jack. Although it is the "proper" way of setting timing, I think you will find he is using a reman dist and the crank position sensor was mounted on the shaft incorrectly.
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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 10:26 AM
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My money's on that its a rebuilt dist. Its hard as hell to set it where you want on a rebuilt.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 12:52 AM
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I dont know if its a remain, but im pretty sure its brand new the way the guy at autozone made it out to be, which is were i got it.
When i put it on there was really only one way i could find to put it out for it to work, it
fits smoothly and turns smoothly .
How do i know if its on right,?
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 08:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by srv3fender &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know if its a remain, but im pretty sure its brand new the way the guy at autozone made it out to be, which is were i got it.
When i put it on there was really only one way i could find to put it out for it to work, it
fits smoothly and turns smoothly .
How do i know if its on right,?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would be willing to bet its a reman unit and not a brand new unit. Even if it was a brand new, its aftermarket, which further increases the possability of the cps sensor being on slightly crooked.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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well wheres the cps sensor and how do i fix it, and what would that do
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by srv3fender &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well wheres the cps sensor and how do i fix it, and what would that do</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its internal and non serviceable. You don't fix it.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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cam timing off by a tooth?

retard you cam by one tooth if its off, then that will advance the dizzy.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 10:45 PM
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is it inside the engine or inside the distributor , cause in my haynes manual it doesnt list a cps in the distrubitor diagram, what makes you think its the cps and not the timing belt
off tooth?
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 10:56 PM
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would cleaning this sensor help
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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 07:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by srv3fender &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is it inside the engine or inside the distributor , cause in my haynes manual it doesnt list a cps in the distrubitor diagram, what makes you think its the cps and not the timing belt
off tooth?
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If i was off a tooth on the itming belt, it would be impossible to get the timing in spec using the dist.
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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 07:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by srv3fender &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would cleaning this sensor help
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No, not at all. Its mounted to a shaft, pressed on. Cleaning won't fix. Its just plain crap. Thats how reman units are.
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Old Feb 14, 2005 | 09:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Br1anPham &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cam timing off by a tooth?

retard you cam by one tooth if its off, then that will advance the dizzy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This was my first guess too. Is your cam timing off a tooth?
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 12:01 AM
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how can i adjust the pulley for cam timing?
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by srv3fender &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how can i adjust the pulley for cam timing?</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you're talking about the "cam pulley" which is actually a gear, then you can't. You line up the marks and you're done. Fine tunning of the timing must be done with the distributor. Like I said many many many times. If the cps is off in the dist, it isn't going to work. Plain and simple. You cannot (well you can if you know what you're doing) take it apart and fix it. Your options should include:

Exchange for another unit

Buy one new from Honda

There shouldn't be any more discussion on this. Its dragging on.
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