So I'm pulling the ZC and making room for my new D16A6 so that I can be H4 legal. Can someone please look at this pic and tell me how to remove this "banjo" bolt on the fuel filter line? I've never even heard of a banjo bolt. Does this require a special tool? I went at it a couple times with the needle nose, but to no avail and I don't want to damage it.

Also, it's my understanding that you can remove the charcol canister on race (non-registered) cars. To do this, do I just take the line from the IM and run it to the post on the firewall where the other line is coming from? If so, then what do I do with the middle line that I've pointed at in green?

Thanks in advance,
Scott

 

Some banjo bolts are just a 12mm. They are on there super tight though...so you gotta give it a good jerk to get it loose.

The canister can be removed as well the purge valve that the lines run into. They only thing you need to leave on that bracket on the wall is your MAP sensor.


Remove these and plug the nipples on the manifold with rubber plugs from NAPA or any parts store. Or you can pull the nipples out and JB weld the holes, although I wouldn't suggest doing this while the manifold is still on the car.




Modified by jisu009 at 8:56 AM 12/28/2004

 

banjo bolt - same as any other. probably a 14 or 17mm, they're on there tight.

 

What benefit does removing the charcoal canister provide? I still have it in my car and haven't really thought of removing it.

 

Oh and don't break the fuel line when taking the lines off the fuel filter. Expensive mistake I made when I was 16

 

Use a wrachet/socket on the top of the bolt while holding near the bottom of a bolt with a wrench. I forget if it's part of the fuel filter or not that you hold the wrench onto, but it's a bitch sometimes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FlyZlow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I'm pulling the ZC and making room for my new D16A6 so that I can be H4 legal. Can someone please look at this pic and tell me how to remove this "banjo" bolt on the fuel filter line? I've never even heard of a banjo bolt. Does this require a special tool? I went at it a couple times with the needle nose, but to no avail and I don't want to damage it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Helms says the banjo bolt is 12mm. Use a socket on the top and an open end wrench on the filter nut that's fixed to the filter (under the fule line) for counter torque. Or you can hit it with an impact. The other side (with the service bolt) won't accept a socket but can be pulled with another end wrench on top.


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Also, it's my understanding that you can remove the charcol canister on race (non-registered) cars. To do this, do I just take the line from the IM and run it to the post on the firewall where the other line is coming from? If so, then what do I do with the middle line that I've pointed at in green?
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How to remove the charcoal canister: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1082942

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Just to make room (for a catch can, remote filter, Tivo, whatever).

 

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Just to make room (for a catch can, remote filter, Tivo, whatever).</TD></TR></TABLE>

So there is no performance gain or anything else associated with it? I have never really been sure of what they do, so I had no clue if it was an sort of a restrictive emission device.

 

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So there is no performance gain or anything else associated with it? I have never really been sure of what they do, so I had no clue if it was an sort of a restrictive emission device.</TD></TR></TABLE>

None that I am aware of beyond the extra engine compartment room and an insignificant weight savings. It comes out in under 5 minutes so it's not like it's a chore. I only got around to removing mine because I would have had to reinstall it after the motor swap and that seemed pointless.

 

There will be two gaskets involved. They are small and had to find on the ground. Don't ask how I know this.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by travis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Helms says the banjo bolt is 12mm. Use a socket on the top and an open end wrench on the filter nut that's fixed to the filter (under the fule line) for counter torque. Or you can hit it with an impact. The other side (with the service bolt) won't accept a socket but can be pulled with another end wrench on top.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Travis -

Are you sure that's not the service bolt? In the manual I'm using, it shows the service bolt bolted into the top of the banjo bolt which is bolted through the fuel line. The service bolt was a 12mm that came out really easily, but the banjo bolt is oval shaped and very thin. Perhaps the diagram I'm looking at is not correct? The oval thing I'm calling the banjo bolt looks like it's part of the fuel line, but I still can't get the fuel line off, so maybe it is a bolt. I'll try to get a closer up picture, but I can definitely tell you that a normal wrench/socket won't do it. How many bolts do you need to take off to get the fuel line off? I think the manual I found online is for a 91, so perhaps it's different.

Thanks for all the replies guys!

EDIT: Doh. Just reread your post. So what you're calling the other side must be the side I'm working on. I'm having a hell of a time getting a wrench in on the lower nut because the fuel lines are in the way. Can I remove the line that's coming from the tank into the filter or am I going to be spilling fuel? I would think that it would be ok since there shouldn't be any pressure in the system, but I guess we'll see. I'll try it out very slowly.

- Scott


Modified by FlyZlow at 2:41 AM 12/29/2004

 

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Travis -

Are you sure that's not the service bolt? In the manual I'm using, it shows the service bolt bolted into the top of the banjo bolt which is bolted through the fuel line. The service bolt was a 12mm that came out really easily, but the banjo bolt is oval shaped and very thin. Perhaps the diagram I'm looking at is not correct? The oval thing I'm calling the banjo bolt looks like it's part of the fuel line, but I still can't get the fuel line off, so maybe it is a bolt. I'll try to get a closer up picture, but I can definitely tell you that a normal wrench/socket won't do it. How many bolts do you need to take off to get the fuel line off? I think the manual I found online is for a 91, so perhaps it's different.

Thanks for all the replies guys!

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No, I'm not 100% sure, it might be bigger. I can go put a socket on mine to check if you want. I remember the service bolt being much smaller than that but I could be mistaken. You don't need to remove the service bolt, just loosen it to let the pressure out. Here is the procedure:



The red arrows are the bolts that you must remove to free the fuel lines. The green arrows are the fixed nuts you can use for counter torque.

 

Phew ... problem solved. I finally brute forced it and it gave. I don't think I broke anything, but I guess time will tell.

Now, on to deleting the charcol can. Not for any particular reason, but just because I can.

 

Ahhhh ... I see. The manual that I was looking at was calling the oval shaped bolt the banjo bolt. Hence the confusion. Thanks again Travis!

 

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I think you need to spend some more time in the gym!

 

if you can't get it off at the fuel filter take it off the FUEL RAIL where a 21mm wrench will easily get on!
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Modified by chad at 6:16 PM 12/31/2004


Modified by chad at 6:17 PM 12/31/2004

 

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Ha! ... Who has time for exercise with work, a race car, and a wife (who doesn't get nearly as much time as she deserves due to the other 2)?

 

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I know how that goes. I don't have a wife, so that definetly saves me some time. School doesn't help me any though. 50 hr work weeks, 13 credit hours, race car, and 4 times a week in the gym. Someone shoot me. How screwed am I going ot be if I find a girl? lol

 

if you didnt get the idea yet.

http://www.want2race.net/racecar/howto

Its the emsssions one

 

Wow ... 50 hrs + school is brutal. I remember when I was finishing up in school, I was only working about 30 hrs a week and I still was only getting like 4 - 5 hours of sleep a night. There was a period of like 2 weeks my senior year where I never saw my wife awake (I'd come home at like 1am and leave at like 6am), so I feel for you man. I'm impressed that you can still fit racing in.

 

So you guys know there is a socket for taking off the banjo bolt and serivce bolt at one time. Snapon sells it, i was looking on their site and i cant seem to find it, but i do have one. You obviously dont REALLY need it but, it helps out in situations like these.

-s

 

did it come off....

 

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why???

 

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once again....

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