Hey again everyone. I got another lovely problem for my friends car. This thing loves to come up with problems its increadable.

His having a problem of going into gear. Now i read this thread: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1049648 And we are having simliar problems as this guy.

Only difference is that whenever i tighten up the clutch cable we could go into gear <FONT SIZE="3">ONCE</FONT> when the car is on, When you take your foot off the clutch and try to go into gear again (with the clutch in) it wont go in.

Now my friend is thinking it might be that we stretched the clutch cable out way to much that it cant work. Im thinking its a hit or miss, im more thinking (because of that thread) that something is screwed up inside the tranny/clutch area (like throw out bearing, pressure plate, something). Now tomorrow were probably going to try the clutch cable but thats really a hit or miss in my eyes, or am i seeing that wrong?

Main questions are. Could it be the clutch cable? And when i pull the tranny what am i going to be looking for really, or should i just check everything?

91 DX hatch with D15B1

TIA!

 

hows your pedal play? if your pedal play is within limits, i'd look at the PP.

How many miles on the clutch assy?

 

can you engage the clutch with your hand?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MR5sARECOOL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hows your pedal play? if your pedal play is within limits, i'd look at the PP.

How many miles on the clutch assy?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Varies with the clutch cable tightened and loosend. We were thinking PP as well. Not really sure about the miles, i think its over 100k but the motor might be less because i believe the previous owner had a swap in it before my friend got it.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ThatRicerDaniel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can you engage the clutch with your hand?</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you mean by pulling the clutch lever up, then no. I cant pull it high enough to engage it (but also we didnt really try this but i will tomorrow). Lets say we can and we cant, whats each answer show?

Thanks again.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Varies with the clutch cable tightened and loosend. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I know that. Thats why you can adjust it.

Is the pedal play within limits, or can you get the pedal play within limits when you adjust the cable?

If you cannot get it(the pedal play) within limits by cable adjustment, then your cable is stretched. BUT....

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Not really sure about the miles, i think its over 100k but the motor might be less because i believe the previous owner had a swap in it before my friend got it.

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If the previous owner did the swap and haphazardly put the PP on one bolt at a time, instead of evenly tightening the it. that could be the problem, or maybe its just old.

I would get you cable tension right first. then go from there.

GOOD LUCK

 

Oh ok i see what you mean. Yea we could get it in the limits of where its at and when we end up with the same results (could only get it in gear once and then once he takes his foot off the clutch he cant go in gear anymore). Man i really dont feel like taking that tranny out. ::shrugs:: ill make him work.

The funny thing is that he started having problems with his clutch when he was driving a couple weeks ago and hit a bump and the cable went off track (thats what started with use adjusting it) Could adjusting it screw up the PP and such inside the tranny?

Also if its just the PP couldnt i just sand it down with a DA and put it back on (same with the flywheel of course) and be good to go?

If so what are the torque specs of the flywheel if i do take that off?

Thanks again.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh ok i see what you mean. Yea we could get it in the limits of where its at </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the pedal should have like an inch of play, but dont qoute me on that. Get it there then go at it.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man i really dont feel like taking that tranny out. </TD></TR></TABLE>

pull off the cover(between the trans and oil pan) first and look around. You never know what you'll see

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could adjusting it screw up the PP and such inside the tranny?</TD></TR></TABLE>

If there was no play in the pedal and he drove it for awhile, the clutch disc could wear and/or the PP springs could wear from overheating

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also if its just the PP couldnt i just sand it down with a DA and put it back on (same with the flywheel of course) and be good to go?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, because the spring on the PP is gonna be worn, not the contact side of the PP. Dont sand your Flywheel with a DA, just pay and get it surfaced, otherwise it could get screwed up.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If so what are the torque specs of the flywheel if i do take that off?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I cant rember right now, but you'll need an alignment tool, and the torque specs for the PP also. Unless someone else answers before me, if I remember tomorrow i'll grab my book

GOOD LUCK

 

I had the same problem with my B16, I had to jam the car in gear even with the clutch pushed in. My car also wanted to lurch forward slightly with the car in gear and the clutch pushed in when I would rev it up. To make a long story short I replaced the whole clutch assembly and got a light weight flywheel, now the car rides like new. I hope you have the same luck.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ajcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had the same problem with my B16, I had to jam the car in gear even with the clutch pushed in. My car also wanted to lurch forward slightly with the car in gear and the clutch pushed in when I would rev it up. To make a long story short I replaced the whole clutch assembly and got a light weight flywheel, now the car rides like new. I hope you have the same luck. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol.... thanks, to bad i dont want to do this job, we just need something to last til Feb when he could swap it out.


Mr5 - Thanks for all the info so far. One last question, my friend ended up bending his shifter petal, now that is the weirdest ******* thing ever, any idea why that could be? thanks again.

 

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One last question, my friend ended up bending his shifter petal, now that is the weirdest ******* thing ever, any idea why that could be? thanks again. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont know about that one.

 

Ok small update... we took out the tranny and clutch and the PP is burned pretty bad. It looks completely purple and blue all over. The hairs on the clutch are there but still going out, but they are good enough to hold still. But if its burned that bad could that be the cause as to why it wont ingauge the gears. Also 3 out of 4 of the springs are really loose. Are these signs of a completely bad clutch and could be the cause of the problems? Thanks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok small update... we took out the tranny and clutch and the PP is burned pretty bad. It looks completely purple and blue all over. The hairs on the clutch are there but still going out, but they are good enough to hold still. But if its burned that bad could that be the cause as to why it wont ingauge the gears. Also 3 out of 4 of the springs are really loose. Are these signs of a completely bad clutch and could be the cause of the problems? Thanks. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Remember, you're not thinking about the PP spring(the thing in the very middle of the PP). thats where your problem lies. Replace it all, and surface the flywheel

 

Im going to try to take pictures of what the clutch likes to give you a better example of how it looks. Also when i look at the throw out bearing what should it look like when its good or bad. Thanks. Be back in about 20 with the picture.

 

Aight heres some pictures. 56k sorry













How can i take this off? o.0

 

Holy oil batman!!!

That looks oiled to all hell...replace the rear main and input shaft seals.

 

at least the rear main. there should be no oil

 

This is a Clutch trouble-shooting guide I found online. Maybe it will answer your questions, it's quite in depth.

http://www.daikin-clutch.com/t...1.htm