Ok I'm just about ready to take on boosting the old 94 ex accord and i have some general questions. First I have a list of parts i have come up with that i need and feel free to add to it.
-Turbo
-Manifold
-Intercooler-BOV
-Wastegate
-Oil lines
-Engine Management
-injectors
-fuel pump
-boost controller
-turbo timer
-downpipe
-exhaust
-Piping

Now my first question is how much piping do i need for the intercooler and other such things. The next question is what of these things are ACTUALLY needed in order to run a turbo on a daily driver. I do race occasionally but not very often. Any suggestions or input would be AWESOME and the more responses the better project this will be.

 

This would do better in the performance and/or Tech area.

 

Im getting ready to boost my 97 SE and i noticed that you are missing "the Missing Link". Its another sensor that bypasses the MAP sensor so that it doesnt detect boost. There on Ebay. Another thing, you really dont need a timer, just wait in your car for a little while and let it cool down. Im not sure about how much piping you need but i know a couple of shops that make piping fairly cheap. You might want to up your clutch if you havent already. If you want to go the cheap route, i am, just get the misiing link, injectors, FMU, anf fuel pump and a fuel pressure regulator and gauge so you dont run lean. If you are runnign stock internals, dont run high boost, i recommend a t3 or an eclipse turbo. I might be selling my t3 soon. I'll post it up if i do.

 

how much are you looking to spend?

it does come down to how much money ur willing to spend. tuning is the biggest issue when turboing a NA engine.

 

I'm only looking to spend about 1500... I already have a t3 turbo.... i need the rest of the stuff....can i get away with that amount??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jagged4698 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm only looking to spend about 1500... I already have a t3 turbo.... i need the rest of the stuff....can i get away with that amount??</TD></TR></TABLE>

You declined to mention how much boost you wanted to run. That factors in as well. You don't really need a turbo timer, you can get away without one if you know what you're doing. Also, you shouldn't need a missing link since your car is OBD I, but I'm not positive on that one. Gauges (boost, EGT) are nice to have as well, but again, not absolutely necessary. $1500 is cutting it close, especially if you go with new parts.

 

Well for a while i'm just gonna run about 7psi through it until i get it fully set up. my loan will be about 1500-2000 so i doubt i will set it all up at once. I'm guessing i will leave out the engine management, turbo timer, and boost controller. Other then that all the parts will be new. Will i need a new fuel pump to go with my injectors and what size injectors will i need? will 440cc be sufficient?? or do i need to run around 600cc?

 

You will definately need a boost controller its just if you want a manual or electronic one
also you will need to upgrade your FPR(fuel pressure regulator).
if you use a EMS then you dont need a missing link but the EMS is really expensive.
440cc inectors is a lot i think, i have 310 injectors on my 90 accord and im running 10lbs daily still it runs a lil rich unless im really pushing the car. if you get a AFC(air fuel controller) then your stock injectors should work fine for only 7lbs
Piping all depends on how you are going to route it

as far as cost 1500 is pushing it for all new stuff especially if you are going to pay someone to install everything for you. my turbo setup cost me about 900 but i did alot of the work myself

 

Well i'm going to be installing the whole thing myself...so install shouldn't be much of an issue... as for a boost controller i just want the cheapest one i can get....its not that neccessary for right now since i'm just going to run 7psi. Someone told me that i'm able to use my stock fuel pump if i run a new wire (10 guage)? Is that so? Someone already said something about the missing link and that i wouldnt need it (what is the missing link btw?) I'm not sure about AFC or injectors yet i guess it comes down to whichever will be cheaper... I know its probably not a good idea to base my turboproject on cheapness but i plan on buying all new parts mainly....so any other ideas or flaws??

 

My boy did a simple install for his turbo accord. He bought the kit from drag, the ***********. His kit included: manifold, turbo, intercooler, missing link (u dont need it, it bypasses the MAP sensor so it doesnt detect boost), bigger fuel pump, FMU, he tried injectors but didnt need them, BOV, Wastegate, etc. He decided to boost an H22 now so i bought his kit. Im upgrading his setup, im using all of his parts but im getting a different wastegat and BOV. I bought a S-AFC from my boy for $150 and my other boy is giving me legend injectors to use. U dont need an afc or injectors, stock is fine, however, i highly recomend changing the fuel pump.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accrdpusha &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My boy did a simple install for his turbo accord. He bought the kit from drag, the ***********. His kit included: manifold, turbo, intercooler, missing link (u dont need it, it bypasses the MAP sensor so it doesnt detect boost), bigger fuel pump, FMU, he tried injectors but didnt need them, BOV, Wastegate, etc. He decided to boost an H22 now so i bought his kit. Im upgrading his setup, im using all of his parts but im getting a different wastegat and BOV. I bought a S-AFC from my boy for $150 and my other boy is giving me legend injectors to use. U dont need an afc or injectors, stock is fine, however, i highly recomend changing the fuel pump.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like you got lots of boys

 

Hold on now homie, you trying to imply something! Dont beat around the bush. Come out with it.

 

Boy? Homie? Why can't you just call them friends?

 

y0 e-thug! WHat's hangin homeslice dawg dank sheeit yo! Ma boys, I'm in tha cribs.

The cribs are the baddest Canadian gang out there y0! We got nukes and ****.

 

A manual boost controller is going to be the cheapest as sum electric ones can cost up to $300 bucks or more. i am actually using a pressure regulator **** that use use on air tanks/compressors and havent had any problems with it (been bout a year now). i got it from auto zone for about $20 or so. One dissadvantage to going this route is you have to take alot of time adjusting it until you can figure out how many turns=1psi of boost.
im not too sure about the fuel pump trick i would just replace it as they arent that expensive.
And as for the missing link u will most likely need one, when the map sensor detects boost it wont allow any boost over a preset amount. im my case before i got mine i couldt push more than 4psi but it could be a lil different for your 95 than to my 90. but like i said if you want to go ahead and break bread now and buy an full ems like AEM or a piggy back system like hondata it can save you money in the long run. a full ems can control all aspects of your setup: boost, air fuel ratio, fuel pressure, timing, etc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jagged4698 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I'm guessing i will leave out the engine management, turbo timer, and boost controller. Other then that all the parts will be new. Will i need a new fuel pump to go with my injectors and what size injectors will i need? will 440cc be sufficient?? or do i need to run around 600cc?</TD></TR></TABLE>

you NEED some sort of fuel management you can't just leave it out. you can't run larger injectors without some way for the car to control them.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bleewdragon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You will definately need a boost controller its just if you want a manual or electronic one
also you will need to upgrade your FPR(fuel pressure regulator).
if you use a EMS then you dont need a missing link but the EMS is really expensive.
440cc inectors is a lot i think, i have 310 injectors on my 90 accord and im running 10lbs daily still it runs a lil rich unless im really pushing the car. if you get a AFC(air fuel controller) then your stock injectors should work fine for only 7lbs
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you don't need a boost controller, you can run off the wastegate spring just fine.

you can't just use your stock injectors, you'll need an FMU & missing link to use stock injectors. an AFC will not be able to provide fuel under boost just using the stockers (w/o FMU).

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this is just plain WRONG unless you're using an FMU.

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if you do the AFC hack you do not need the missing link. you can run up to ~10 psi or so on the stock MAP sensor.

don't cheap out on fuel managment...

 

Ok so lcan someone give me a list of things i most definetly need to run a small amount of boost and things that i will need LATER on to push out more psi?? I'm so confussed because some people tell me i don't need a missing link and other say i do need a missing link? some people say stock injectors some people say larger some people say no ems some people say yes....so lets just compile a list of things i need to only run 7 psi...

 

you need SOME sort of engine management.

FMU + missing link

or

AFC + 450cc injectors

or

AEM EMS + whatever bigger injectors (450 or higher)

or

Hondata + whatever bigger injectors (450 or higher)


A missing link is only needed for the FMU setup.

A boost controller is not necessary unless you want to adjust your boost setting higher than the wastegate spring setting.

And I'm surprised no one has said it yet - the SEARCH function here is your friend. This has been covered hundreds of times.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And I'm surprised no one has said it yet - the SEARCH function here is your friend. This has been covered hundreds of times.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know how to use it i have just bbeen in a little bit of a hurry lately and haven't had time to sit and actually read through all of the other threads...sorry for being lazy i suppose?

So which of those combinations would be the cheapest??