ok, ok i know its been answered a hundred times here before... but before you all jump and yell at me to search, read it through.

ok, i want to swap in a non-vtec, NON FRANKENSTINE motor to my del sol.

i would like to hit 160hp without tearing into the block. i have read that with an LS intake manifold, ecu, jdm 4-1 header, gsr trans, etc, a b20 can make around 150 to the wheels. with crower 404's it should be able to make around 160...

however, i may want to turbo it in the future, and i know that the b18 is stronger for boost, due to the thicker sleeves...

Now, what i am asking is this:

is there a way to get an ls to aroudn the same power as the said b20, and keep it reliable (no spray, turbo, etc) and have it be a good daily driver?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, ok i know its been answered a hundred times here before... but before you all jump and yell at me to search, read it through. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i read through it and i still say.....SEARCH.....been covered way too many time!!!

 

ok, since you posted that, i've been reading around... still can't find much on what im asking

 

you won't make 150 to the wheels with listed mods on a b20....

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1014628


read that thread, the post where the picture of the exhaust is.

 

ttt

 

well then do what he did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gezzz.....

he had skunk2 manifold..you wanted ls....gezzzz

basically a straight pipe....you don't want to drive around with that...TOO LOUD....

wow...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you won't make 150 to the wheels with listed mods on a b20....</TD></TR></TABLE>

150 to the wheels is easy on a B20Z

I made 155whp with Just the LS IM/TB, a 3" shortram, DC 4-2-1, and a 2.25" testpipe back.

With a less restrictive muffler (using a chambered), and the LS cams instead of the B20 I probably would have gotten closer to 160.

My previous motor was a B18B with 404s, same setup except a milled head (roughly 9.4:1 CR) I made 165whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

150 to the wheels is easy on a B20Z

I made 155whp with Just the LS IM/TB, a 3" shortram, DC 4-2-1, and a 2.25" testpipe back.

With a less restrictive muffler (using a chambered), and the LS cams instead of the B20 I probably would have gotten closer to 160.

My previous motor was a B18B with 404s, same setup except a milled head (roughly 9.4:1 CR) I made 165whp.

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how much was the head milled?

 

.018"

 

160 to the wheels is obtainable on a B18 w/o touching the block as shown by StyleTeg!

Search around and you will find his dyno sheet along with others dynos!

 

does that mean if it was done with a b20 it would have similar hp and more torque?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does that mean if it was done with a b20 it would have similar hp and more torque?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seems that way, however the ppl that seem to make the most power(195+whp) have B20's!

 

i assume b20z?

why do people use the b18 then?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i assume b20z?

why do people use the b18 then?</TD></TR></TABLE>

People use the B18A/B18B because they get the whole package cheap. You can't get a package deal with a B20. You need alot of different stuff from different cars.

 

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150 to the wheels is easy on a B20Z

I made 155whp with Just the LS IM/TB, a 3" shortram, DC 4-2-1, and a 2.25" testpipe back.

With a less restrictive muffler (using a chambered), and the LS cams instead of the B20 I probably would have gotten closer to 160.

My previous motor was a B18B with 404s, same setup except a milled head (roughly 9.4:1 CR) I made 165whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You must have something else you are not talking about. The typical power output for a non-VTEC B20 with an LS P75 ECU, LS intake manifold, header, exhaust, and a good aftermarket intake is around 135-140WHP. I sure wish MY B20 put out that much power!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You must have something else you are not talking about. The typical power output for a non-VTEC B20 with an LS P75 ECU, LS intake manifold, header, exhaust, and a good aftermarket intake is around 135-140WHP. I sure wish MY B20 put out that much power!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nothing beyond tuning, but I base lined at 150whp.

Its not abnormal either, I know others that have gotten simmilar power with simmilar modifications.

Keep in mind these are the higher comp B20's, not the 8.8 ones.

 

as in b20z...

so basically b20z or b18b, no b20b's.

 

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Nothing beyond tuning, but I base lined at 150whp.

Its not abnormal either, I know others that have gotten simmilar power with simmilar modifications.

Keep in mind these are the higher comp B20's, not the 8.8 ones.</TD></TR></TABLE>

StyleTeg is right, higher compression makes a difference!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as in b20z...

so basically b20z or b18b, no b20b's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually that is a common misconception. There are some 9.6:1 JDM B20B's, I think they are from 00+. All usdm B20B's are low compression I beleave.

My motor is a JDM B20B, yet I have the high comp pistons. Easy way to tell? Does it have a knock sensor.

 

This was in another thread:


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSturboEH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">« Re: (LSturboEH2) « » 12:51 AM 10/9/2004 Reply Edit

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I have b20b4 but the compression ratios are like this:
96-98 JDM or USDM 8.8.1

99-00 JDM 0r USDM 9.6.1

If Im correct if not please let me know.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Could be, honestly I have only browsed through the info a few times.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could be, honestly I have only browsed through the info a few times.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Check above I found the thread and edited the my post

 

Sorry for the thread jack, but I have a quick question. So only the high compression b20's have a knock sensor. So if i were to call HMO, order a b20 and specifiy I wanted one with a knock sensor, It should be the high compression b20???