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sont know what size intercooler you are used to installing, but when i had my HKS cooler in my 5th gen, even with custome piping, due to intercooler size it was not possible to work around the fogs. and puting small kinks or random bends in the IC piping to try and work around something like that seriously destroys the air flow efficiancy.... "cmon"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboSam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sont know what size intercooler you are used to installing, but when i had my HKS cooler in my 5th gen, even with custome piping, due to intercooler size it was not possible to work around the fogs. and puting small kinks or random bends in the IC piping to try and work around something like that seriously destroys the air flow efficiancy.... "cmon"</TD></TR></TABLE>

with a name like turbosam id think you'd be more savvy in this area but i guess not. here goes check this from ludetech running a big PWR intercooler, he is the only one i could find that had pics without the bumper on the car blocking the pipes(he also was able to use fogs(usdm) there are more just search

 

I am dissapointed by everyone saying the H22 isnt a good engine for boost.
I know that its not the best but if done properly these engines will hold 350 to 400 hp and even above.
the one problem is the piston rings, because of our large piston to cylinder wall gap we burn lots of oil and when boost is added cn get blowby on bad rings.
the one thing is you cant get detonation.
so as long as you are wel tuned then your safe.
there is a person suposedly making 442 whp on stock internals.
you ask how?
race gas, watermeth injection.
as long as you prevent detonation the engine wil take all you can throw at it
here is a link to the 442 whp lude on stock interns:
http://www.hrtuning.com/forum/...1#280

 

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with a name like turbosam id think you'd be more savvy in this area but i guess not. here goes check this from ludetech running a big PWR intercooler, he is the only one i could find that had pics without the bumper on the car blocking the pipes(he also was able to use fogs(usdm) there are more just search





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i did say it depends on the cooler and not all are able to get a
round that.... and yea, i know a thing or two, this is my thread afterall


and BB6loveBOOST, the H22 is a garbage engine. there are very few cases of people making that kind of power with stock internals, VERY few. dont come in here with one post talking about everything that been talked about for years on this forum. yes, it can be done, but it is rare. and generally, H22s take a lot of money to make real power, and i have yet so see a single H22 making high power be dependable

 

garbage? right.....

use a good manifold with proper wastegate placement and good tuning. run a larger ignition boost retard, run colder plugs...etc. There are plenty of ways around the weak ringland crap. Think it out so you arent reaching peak cylinder pressure at the wrong crank:rod angle so the ringlands are not taking a beating and you will be fine. It's not rocket science.

why do you think some of these people are able to make so much power for extended periods of time?
A) they start with a healthy motor
B) its well maintained
C) good tuning
D) proper supporting mods

 

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Modified by streetracer6rpt at 12:33 AM 3/28/2008

 

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thank you, i am glad someone has some sense. not all intercoolers are made alike!

and i still say, the H22 has major pitfalls. ive seen too many go kablooey, but for those of you who dont want to believe me, and want to sink a ton of money into one and expect it to make rediculous power, and drive it everyday. good luck. i definately miss my prelude at times, but glad to see it gone, i can make way more power for less money since i got rid of it

 

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thank you, i am glad someone has some sense. not all intercoolers are made alike!

and i still say, the H22 has major pitfalls. ive seen too many go kablooey, but for those of you who dont want to believe me, and want to sink a ton of money into one and expect it to make rediculous power, and drive it everyday. good luck. i definately miss my prelude at times, but glad to see it gone, i can make way more power for less money since i got rid of it</TD></TR></TABLE>

good for you

every engine has pitfalls. This motor was originally designed in 1991.......its now 2008 and people have gotten smarter than they were and technology for honda's has advanced since 2003 when you were actually active here.

 

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thank you, i am glad someone has some sense. not all intercoolers are made alike!

and i still say, the H22 has major pitfalls. ive seen too many go kablooey, but for those of you who dont want to believe me, and want to sink a ton of money into one and expect it to make rediculous power, and drive it everyday. good luck. i definately miss my prelude at times, but glad to see it gone, i can make way more power for less money since i got rid of it</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hahaha...so many have made over 300whp at low boost on stock block. We have a member on here making 366whp on stock block for over 3 years. His name is "oneludesol". We also cant forget ludetech/c61ludes 330whp @ 9-10 pounds. BTW as far as making way more power. Even with a rwd 350z putting power to the ground past 500whp is a challenge weather it be fwd or rwd. 400+whp on pump with an h22 is not a hard task at all. That is more than enough for daily driving.

 

 

im looking for a turbo mani for my 4th gen. i want to maintain powersteering and keep my alternater in the stock locations. anyone got a good recommendation? im using oaksracing old turbo TEC T4OE Turbo with .81 AR housing

 

Im thinking about buying a turbonetic kit. Its a ball bearing t3/t4 and juz wondering if anybody has one. How are they compare to other turbo like greddy or drag. If it a good turbo.

 

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i did say it depends on the cooler and not all are able to get a
round that.... and yea, i know a thing or two, this is my thread afterall


and BB6loveBOOST, the H22 is a garbage engine. there are very few cases of people making that kind of power with stock internals, VERY few. dont come in here with one post talking about everything that been talked about for years on this forum. yes, it can be done, but it is rare. and generally, H22s take a lot of money to make real power, and i have yet so see a single H22 making high power be dependable</TD></TR></TABLE>


haha.. man long time no see turbosam.. must of been like 7 years since ive seen you post..

its funny how a lot of certain people can talk so much like they know turbo systems, even when they probably dont even have a reliable working car yet and you were one of the few to back then with a turbo prelude....

anywho.. for reference i agree with turbosam.. H22 motors are trash.. now.. back then i thought it was the ****.. and i still love my motor very much.. but the technology now in honda motors just kick the **** out of it.. with motors coming stock with roller rockers and what not..

though you may not know since i dont post much my motor has been built since 04 and running reliable making around 400whp, to the present which is 08 now..

and im about to setup up the power even more.. and im pretty sure it will be still reliable.. so you can mark me down for one of the few who still have running motors on the original built block..

 

any turbo kits for preludes now a days are pretty much crap.

best bet is so piece together your own stuff..

buy manifold , and turbo seperate and makd the downpipe and what not

 

ok i have a question...
i have a 96 honda prelude im looking into turboing.
im courious on what im going to have to do to get this in there
im not looking for much because i dont have much done to it yet
i have some of the normal things done like cold air and random stuff like that

im looking a the t3/t4 turbo kit.
ive been told that you have to lose the a/c and relocate the battery and many other things.
i just want to know for a standard kit, not wanting to run more than about 6pounds what do i need to do to get this in there.
if there sis a way to keep the a/c how should i do it
thanx

 

ok real question that NO ONE HAS EVER ANSWERED IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!
(to my knowledge)

1~~DO YOU HAVE TO DESTROY THE FRONT MOTOR MOUNT ON F & H MOTORS WITH A BOTOM MOUNT TURBO MANIFOLD? (LIKE THE DSM)~~


2~~IS THERE A BLOCK OFF FOR EXTERNAL WASTE GATE PORTS??~~

thanks. if you answer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dahmuno &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok real question that NO ONE HAS EVER ANSWERED IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!
(to my knowledge)

1~~DO YOU HAVE TO DESTROY THE FRONT MOTOR MOUNT ON F & H MOTORS WITH A BOTOM MOUNT TURBO MANIFOLD? (LIKE THE DSM)~~


2~~IS THERE A BLOCK OFF FOR EXTERNAL WASTE GATE PORTS??~~

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Depends on how close it fits when its bolted together.....if you get better mounts, or fill ur stock ones with window weld u can essentially just take off the front motor mount if iit is in the way.

Its an odd shaped flange but its popular enough. To block off the external gate, you could buy a flange for it on ebay...take it to a muffler shop or have a friend weld it closed...then bolt it in place of the external wastegate.

But if u are using a DSM manifold they don't even have spots for an external gate on the OEM manifold.

 

im actually using an internal wg garrett t25 turbo its on a f22b2 right now, it fits fine with front motor mount! but its front mount manifold!

had to change motor (long story, check my posts)
now im looking to buy an aftermarket tube manifold for dsm turbo..
its bottom, i dont wanna hack on the motor! or the mount!

the f22a1 turbo mani is log style (not as pretty ) and more expensive, AND has external wastegate, on like EVERY ONE MADE!

 

why not just use the same manifold or make one. Use ur stock header, weld a flange on....since u don't an external wastegate anyways

 

I have a 97 prelude h22 v-tech, opnly has bolt on stuff (TB, intake manifold, header, exhaust, intake, pullys, etc..) I have a turbo kit laying around, its a no name t3/t4. What i am wondering is if i only run 5 lbs is it safe for my prelude and the turbo kit? what potential problems could i run into? from what i hear my engine should be safe.

 

You've got 45 pages of knowledge here, learn it.

 

I was wondering if someone could please just give me a complete list of available turbo manifolds for the h23? I have looked and read and I cannot find them. people say f-max and stuff, I went to their website and all i see is h22 manifolds. Do you get them custom from them? Also i would prefer the ones that are AC/PS compatible.

 

How much boost will stock head gasket and head studs hold? I've got stock head gasket bored to 89mm. Running it only 2000 kilometers on n/a built engine. Now going turbo but not sure should i order Cometic or can i leave this one? The aim is 300-350 hp.

 

are you staying stock block? or are you going to sleeve? if the motor is going to be sleeved, and the rods/pistons/crank will be worked on, the stock headgasket will be fine. IIRC a thicker headgasket only lowers compression to make the motor more predictable and easier to tune. there have been plenty of hondas running way more power on the same headgasket. hell, in the S2000 forum there's someone running 575whp on the stock s2000 motor. its the tune that makes it safe

 

Thanks. Block sleeved, CP 9:1 pistons, Spark h-beam rods.