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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 04:55 PM
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Default Koni setting help!

I have Koni Neuspeed Yellows and Skunk2 springs.

right now the ride height is too low.

the koni yellows have the 5 rings on them for the pearch to sit on. currently they are in the middle.

if i place the set ring on the top will that raise the ride height that much? thought process behind this is that the spring will just be more compressed at all times. making really no difference.

please straighten this out for me!

TIA!
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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The spring won't be more compressed unless you add more weight. The rings are for changing the ride height, so use them to change the ride height already!

Rich, who is writing this little thing after his post because he despises it but never gets to do it and is so stoked he didn't say "stupid n00b!" somewhere in his post...woops!
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamSlowdotOrg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The spring won't be more compressed unless you add more weight. The rings are for changing the ride height, so use them to change the ride height already!

Rich, who is writing this little thing after his post because he despises it but never gets to do it and is so stoked he didn't say "stupid n00b!" somewhere in his post...woops!</TD></TR></TABLE>

spring wont be compressed more? im squishing up the spring. the top wont change position at all.

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:40 PM
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Default Re: Koni setting help! (Shakes)

Like i said Doug, i wish i had more hands on with the setup.

Hopefully someone wil chime in who knows and will give the info.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamSlowdotOrg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The spring won't be more compressed unless you add more weight. The rings are for changing the ride height, so use them to change the ride height already!

Rich, who is writing this little thing after his post because he despises it but never gets to do it and is so stoked he didn't say "stupid n00b!" somewhere in his post...woops!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your commentary is out of line. He asked a simple question.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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Default Re: Koni setting help! (Stunna Ben)

by pre-loading the spring (aka, "squishing it") more you will raise the ride height of the car. just like turning the adjuster up higher on the sleeve if you have adjustable coil-overs.

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow. easy does it! time on the board doesn't make you a n00b, asking a question that's been answered 60 times before does.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But goddammit, he didnt tYp3 L1k3 THiz cUz h1z boi hAz a Tyt3... ah, **** i cant even keep doing that... he explained what parts were on the car and what the problem was. It was a clear question in intelligible english - something thats seemingly a rarity these days.

Remember, there was a time where you didnt know what spring preload was either.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:47 PM
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Default Re: Koni setting help! (Shakes)

Raising the spring perch will raise the ride height and in return not give it much play as before.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

But goddammit, he didnt tYp3 L1k3 THiz cUz h1z boi hAz a Tyt3... ah, **** i cant even keep doing that... it was a clear question in intelligible english - something thats seemingly a rarity these days.

Remember, there was a time where you didnt know what spring preload was either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 05:53 PM
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Default Re: Koni setting help! (Stunna Ben)

.RJ, Ben, Andrew and Nate. thank you. now i know what to search for. spring perch and preload werent even in my vocabulary until now.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 06:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Shakes &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thought process behind this is that the spring will just be more compressed at all times. making really no difference. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not an uncommon perception. Here's how actually it works.

Think of the springs as the only thing holding the body of the car off the ground. Now, the body of the car always weighs x pounds. x pounds is only going to compress a spring y inches...regardless of where on the shock the spring is installed. Thus, changing the spring perch setting raises the entire body of the car further off the ground, which of course raises the ride height.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 07:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Your commentary is out of line. He asked a simple question.</TD></TR></TABLE>You know, one of these days I'll have to meet you guys so I can get away with a snide comment or ten around here.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 07:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by krshultz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not an uncommon perception. Here's how actually it works.

Think of the springs as the only thing holding the body of the car off the ground. Now, the body of the car always weighs x pounds. x pounds is only going to compress a spring y inches...regardless of where on the shock the spring is installed. Thus, changing the spring perch setting raises the entire body of the car further off the ground, which of course raises the ride height.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ah, understandable. thank you.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamSlowdotOrg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know, one of these days I'll have to meet you guys so I can get away with a snide comment or ten around here. </TD></TR></TABLE>

if what i asked is considered "trolling" to you. then may i make a suggestion for you to do a write up for the FAQ that is more understandable then the grassroots link. then you will have a valid reason to bitch.

suspension is a mystery to many of us. the dynamics and terminoligy are completely different from what many of us know.

if there was an easy to understand "suspension for dummies" so to speak i would happily read that. im sure that many others would as well. Thus emilinating many n00bish threads.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 07:32 PM
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Default Re: Koni setting help! (.RJ)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

But goddammit, he didnt tYp3 L1k3 THiz cUz h1z boi hAz a Tyt3... ah, **** i cant even keep doing that... he explained what parts were on the car and what the problem was. It was a clear question in intelligible english - something thats seemingly a rarity these days.

Remember, there was a time where you didnt know what spring preload was either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

true dat. thus i removed the part of my post that you quoted. j00 were too quick though, got that quote in!

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 07:32 PM
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The increments of the circlip locations on the Koni Neuspeed SP3 is only 8 mm per step so changing the circlip groove locations will do very little compared to simply threading your spring perch a bit higher on your sleeves. Most sleeves I have seen have at least four inches of threading so raising the circlip alone will only be of benefit if you already find yourself at the very top of the existing threading.

Raising the perch will raise the car and generally roughly 0.7 inch at the shock to 1.0 inch at the wheel ratio. In other words, roughly 1/2 inch upward at the shock will mean 3/4 inches higher on the car on the ground.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 07:36 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Lee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The increments of the circlip locations on the Koni Neuspeed SP3 is only 8 mm per step so changing the circlip groove locations will do very little compared to simply threading your spring perch a bit higher on your sleeves. Most sleeves I have seen have at least four inches of threading so raising the circlip alone will only be of benefit if you already find yourself at the very top of the existing threading.

Raising the perch will raise the car and generally roughly 0.7 inch at the shock to 1.0 inch at the wheel ratio. In other words, roughly 1/2 inch upward at the shock will mean 3/4 inches higher on the car on the ground.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that would be perfect right there. that would equal me out at a 1.25" drop which is where i would like to be.
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 06:06 AM
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what size springs do you have. you can try to switch to another height spring also. you for sure can try the perch adjustment as that cost nothing
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