SilverJdmhatch

Alright i wanted at first i wanted to do an H22A swap in my hatch but now im leaning torwards more of an ls/vtec turbo or just ls/turbo........i will have about a 7,000 to 7,500 dollar budget to do this with........okay here it goes, if i go all out with this budget on an h22a i will only be running about a 13.8-14.0 in the 1/4.....the setup for that would be just intake/header/exhuast and all the other money goes torwards axles,fuel pumps,suspension etc(i wanted to turbo that engine but after researchin about how much its gonna cost i'm getting kind of strayed away from that idea).............with ls/vtec turbo i believe that i would be running in the mid 12's which sounds a lot funner than a n/a h22a.....i know i have to build the ls engine also but with my budget the ls seems the best engine to go with and i can also upgrade to a bigger turbo and build the bottom end a lot stronger for lower times...........heres is the setup for an ls/vtec turbo, B18b block, b16a head, skunk2 manifold, aem cam gears, t3 or t3/t4 turbo, sleeve the block, hondata(would i need a vafc also???), bigger injectors, hks blow off valve, and more......would this get me into the 12's????? i have been tryin the honda-tech research button but since ls is not a 3 letter word it dismisses it, tryed lots of variations and really wasnt finding what i wanted to read.........so what do you all think is the better engine to go with for the money available, and keep in mind that these engines are all im wanting to go with so dont say a itr engine or b20/vtec..........thanks ahead of times

Newman

To put it into perspective (and since I've done just about all of those setups), a turbo B20 setup w/GSR tranny and DRAG 3 turbo kit will cost almost double that of a H22 changeover swap (not including labor, but including extra parts needed). Same goes for a fully built B20-VTEC setup (ex. 12.0:1 compression), you'll end up spending close to double that of a complete H22 changeover swap.

Now, for driving comparasons: Turbo B20 is the fastest out of the bunch, but H22 is pretty close behind. Driving a B20-VTEC setup w/12.0:1 compression and stock B16 cams in the head, with a US ITR tranny, the car felt (torque-wise and throttle response) felt very similar to that of a H22 setup in the same EG hatch chassis. Top end was somewhat similar and I swear it was somewhat hard to tell the difference in driving both, which was which setup.... but that was on those 2 particular setups so other cars may be different. With the turbo B20 setup, power came after 4500 (T3/T04E turbo) and it pulled like a ***** at 12 psi. With the H22, it felt better on the street with its "instant" torque off the line, but too much takes some getting used to. Like I always say, get what you want to and what you feel will work best for your needs, and something that'll be within your budget. Also take into consideration... if a motor isn't built properly, it's not going to last.

My $.02

SilverJdmhatch

so is a b20vtec close to performance of an ls/vtec????? and should i make the ls block into vtec if im going to turbo the ls????

SilverJdmhatch

bump yo

sappsycho

You use the word "yo" WAY too often, man.

ErikDaGenErik

i would just put a built b18c in your car.

anytime you have forced induction, you're gonna run into reliability problems unless like Newman said, you build it right. And its not cheap to build the motor.

Now, I have had the H22A hybrid before in my '94 Civic coupe. You'll be needing atleast $2000 on suspension just to DO IT RIGHT. That means full coilovers for best traction. Also you'd need a lot better axles than '90-'93 integra axles if you want them to last.

Or just turbo a b18/b20. Unless you have money and/or knowledge for tuning, go ahead and do it.

00b16

Personally I say you need to way the options. First, is it for fun on the street most of the time or the track? If street then no questions asked go for the h22, need to do more than 65 on the street??? Reliability, h22 is stock honda motor, only reliability issue is on how hard you beat it. Suspension does need to be done right though. Either way should be fun. Its all about what YOU want. Goodluck.

SilverJdmhatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sappsycho &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You use the word "yo" WAY too often, man.</TD></TR></TABLE> WTF???? its in my sig and i said it once, whats your deal nothin tech related BS that your writing.......back to the topic i know everything need for an H22 swap and i know lots of specs and knowledge about that engine......but it would be my daily driver and i do like turbochargers.........could i expect being in the 12's with an Ls turbocharged without a vtec head???? Its late so if you want me to write out the list let me know

Yellow Dragon

I have seen a few different swaps here in town. Honestly I can't see how a built B20VTEC wouldn't lay the smackdown on the H22A swap. My CX has a B18C1 with I/H/E and I can run similar times to a local guy with the H22A in his CX.

My suggestion is to build the B20VTEC or just turbo an LS swap. Either will be fast in a hatch and you'll be happy IMO.

00b16

However, in regards to b series vs. hseries. The tranny ratios are different. Allowing quicker accel off the line in the b series. As well, you are talkin built bseries vs stock h series. Put the same amount of money into both and then see who wins. In a race gutted hatch on slicks a STOCK h22 ran 12.86 out here in az. Only intake and straight header. Ran 11.90s on 100 shot with zex. Just a little interesting info. Good luck.