<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by papa5murf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Probably not. The previous owner probably didn't realize the real size is 245. </TD></TR></TABLE>

correct0... damn can i get some good shots in....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by papa5murf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Probably not. The previous owner probably didn't realize the real size is 245. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, that explains the poor handling with those tires. Tire Rack, and most likely others as well, list the AP1 as taking a 205 in the front and 225 in the rear. Interesting.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">x8.5 with a +35 u can stuff a 245 in there...
the fenders are rollded already and tab is relocated just give it some camber and your set...

i had some 225's in the back once for a short time and boy it was SCARYYYYYYYY</TD></TR></TABLE>

theres no way a 245 will fit in the rear at that offset it will rub......

those wheels look like crap sorry........and wtf is a 225 in the rear haha i have that on my fronts.....i bet your handling is top notch huh? haha...sorry man i just cant give props on that setup ...........oh and thos wheels ''Weren't meant for the s2000'' for a REASON

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KingVR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Well, that explains the poor handling with those tires. Tire Rack, and most likely others as well, list the AP1 as taking a 205 in the front and 225 in the rear. Interesting.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, pretty much everywhere lists it like that, but the actual tread width of the tires are 245's. When you get your next set, and get the 245's you'll notice a big difference.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by velocityracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

theres no way a 245 will fit in the rear at that offset it will rub......

those wheels look like crap sorry........and wtf is a 225 in the rear haha i have that on my fronts.....i bet your handling is top notch huh? haha...sorry man i just cant give props on that setup ...........oh and thos wheels ''Weren't meant for the s2000'' for a REASON</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree that the 245 will not fit, and thanks for your opinion that a clean 5 spoke with a nice lip isn't your taste. I just don't go for more than 5 spokes which are usually skinny like everyone else seems to like.

And perhaps if I only tracked the car full time would I have a concern for having a tire not wide enough. Ooops, it's never been to the track. Even if you were boosted, what is a 225 going to do in the front for you?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KingVR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I agree that the 245 will not fit, and thanks for your opinion that a clean 5 spoke with a nice lip isn't your taste. I just don't go for more than 5 spokes which are usually skinny like everyone else seems to like.

And perhaps if I only tracked the car full time would I have a concern for having a tire not wide enough. Ooops, it's never been to the track. Even if you were boosted, what is a 225 going to do in the front for you? </TD></TR></TABLE>

no offense but you really have no idea what you're talking about a 225 on the rear is too skinny a 245 WILL fit i'm running 17x9 +35 offset with a 245/40/17 and do not rub maybe you should do some research before you say anything else because right now you're just making youself look like an idiot

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ap1FTW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no offense but you really have no idea what you're talking about a 225 on the rear is too skinny a 245 WILL fit i'm running 17x9 +35 offset with a 245/40/17 and do not rub maybe you should do some research before you say anything else because right now you're just making youself look like an idiot </TD></TR></TABLE>

at what cost though? i bet your fenders are rolled,pulled, tabs relocated and running more than -2.5 of camber right?.......tell me if im wrong

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KingVR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I agree that the 245 will not fit, and thanks for your opinion that a clean 5 spoke with a nice lip isn't your taste. I just don't go for more than 5 spokes which are usually skinny like everyone else seems to like.

And perhaps if I only tracked the car full time would I have a concern for having a tire not wide enough. Ooops, it's never been to the track. Even if you were boosted, what is a 225 going to do in the front for you? </TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont track my car either but live close to the mountains and have some nice roads that i like to go through every now and than and have some fun times, so sticking to the road is a must......but if your just going for the looks of the car and dont mind not having to worry about going through the turns and having to stick, than im all for that too

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ap1FTW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no offense but you really have no idea what you're talking about a 225 on the rear is too skinny a 245 WILL fit i'm running 17x9 +35 offset with a 245/40/17 and do not rub maybe you should do some research before you say anything else because right now you're just making youself look like an idiot </TD></TR></TABLE>

So tell me...what's the physical amount of increase in width of rubber to the ground between a 225 and a 245? And how much tire contact will I lose when I use the needed neg camber I will have to set up with in order to fit that?

Why are people so concerned with numbers? My setup is working very well, believe it or not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by velocityracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

at what cost though? i bet your fenders are rolled,pulled, tabs relocated and running more than -2.5 of camber right?.......tell me if im wrong </TD></TR></TABLE>

my fenders are rolled and not pulled but this is not a big deal and has no negative effects, tab is relocated but again not a big deal,camber is right around -2.5 but not that big of a deal, camber is not what kills tires anyway.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KingVR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why are people so concerned with numbers? My setup is working very well, believe it or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im not....it all depends on the tire as well you can buy a ''245'' but in reality its really a 255, all on the tires, Thats great that your setup is working well ''whatever floats your boat'' right?......all i was saying is a 225 rear isnt ideal or a great performing width for a RWD car is all im saying
And we already went over with the OP that his not going for track sticking car, basically just for looks and thats ok too

just dont tell me to do my research because i've done pleentyy over the years and still going

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by velocityracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

im not....it all depends on the tire as well you can buy a ''245'' but in reality its really a 255, all on the tires, Thats great that your setup is working well ''whatever floats your boat'' right?......all i was saying is a 225 rear isnt ideal or a great performing width for a RWD car is all im saying
And we already went over with the OP that his not going for track sticking car, basically just for looks and thats ok too

just dont tell me to do my research because i've done pleentyy over the years and still going </TD></TR></TABLE>

One love, yo...lol I wasn't really directing anything specific towards anyone, mostly a general comment where people swear by numbers no matter what.

Just to beat this dead horse once more, I think we could agree that a stretched 225 (like mine on the 8.5" rim) would have more contact patch than a 225 on a narrower rim that is not stretching the tire...right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KingVR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So tell me...what's the physical amount of increase in width of rubber to the ground between a 225 and a 245? And how much tire contact will I lose when I use the needed neg camber I will have to set up with in order to fit that?

Why are people so concerned with numbers? My setup is working very well, believe it or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

different brand tires vary in actual width so a kumho 245 may not exactly match a falken 245 width. I'm running Hankook RS-2 and i use the entire tire so i don't think you should lose much if any with the negative camber. If your set-up works for you thats all that matters i, and i think most others here, would never run this set-up though

Different strokes for different folks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by velocityracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

im not....it all depends on the tire as well you can buy a ''245'' but in reality its really a 255, all on the tires, Thats great that your setup is working well ''whatever floats your boat'' right?......all i was saying is a 225 rear isnt ideal or a great performing width for a RWD car is all im saying
And we already went over with the OP that his not going for track sticking car, basically just for looks and thats ok too

just dont tell me to do my research because i've done pleentyy over the years and still going </TD></TR></TABLE>



but if you are refering to me the research comment was not directed at you

 

have fun with the s2k

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by papa5murf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The original SO2's that came on the ap1's were marked wrong, they are actually 245's.

Maybe KingVR needs to drive the car harder, instead of driving like a granny. LOL </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think it's that they were 'marked wrong,' such a mistake would have been corrected. Rather, some tires run wider than other tires. This is a variation in brand names. For instance, Falken FK452's run wide for their size...a 225 in a Falken may be similar to say a 245 in a Toyo.

 

dang what did i miss...

anyways... 245's will indeed fit that set up.... please dont question something you dont know nothing about.

 

Santos is correct about the hub bore size, 73mm for the front and 64mm for the rears. The rears will not properly fit on the fronts, but I found a way around that.

5mm spacers up front, which happens to be how far the center of the hub sticks out, and extended studs. It was a track set up with 4 rear AP2 wheels, and I did not want to risk having the lugs come off. I used ARP 1.5"s, since the 2"s were too long for the closed ended OEM lugs. If you can find ball seat open-ended lugs, you're in business.

 

im pretty sure the tire size is in the passenger door jam. wouldnt that help you clear up some cunfusion on what the stock size is? anyways i run 255's all day.....i dont know what the handling advantages are, i really dont know **** about rims and tires, but i just know if i had anything skinnier on my 18 inch rims it would look like crap. i will say this, when i put my stock wheels back on, with the backs being 245's, the car is all over the place

i dont want my car to look like a huandai.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ReddotsS2K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im pretty sure the tire size is in the passenger door jam. .</TD></TR></TABLE>

its gonna say the same incorrect/correct answer by saying the rears are 225's but the contact patch of the S02's they came with was that of a 245....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

its gonna say the same incorrect/correct answer by saying the rears are 225's but the contact patch of the S02's they came with was that of a 245....</TD></TR></TABLE>

santo, can you believe it? we are still debating this after 7 years of the first discovery

to the OP: the added tracking will affect the suspension numbers of way. you are putting more stress on the bearing(which isn't the strongest part on s2k as you already know), the added tracking will affect bumpsteer and the way the car handle. mostly in a bad way, just think of this, honda design the rims and suspension to work as a package, you can play around within a small range without big negative stuff happens to it but if you going all out you need to re engineer alot of part just to make it handle stock. the third thing is the tire selection, you are looking rubbing at 40 et with 8.0 rear(245tires), you can always put sh-t load of camber in but it's like fixing bad knee by cutting it off completely

i am never a fans of low offset rims, theres 0offset miata in every meet(my other is a miata) and they looks funny, not to mention it destroy the nimble handling of the miata.

 

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santo, can you believe it? we are still debating this after 7 years of the first discovery
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i know im just gonna have a and kick my feet up and rear the dumb posts

 

from way back in the day, 25mm H&R spacers, only used them when I ran the spoon wheels/brake calipers and commuted on the stockers, plus for emergency's since the spare tire wont fit over the spoon calipers.

 

id love to see a donut with a spoonie in the back