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02-16-2009, 01:20 PM
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
i got a jdmb16 with a ctr head and itr trans. A tune, clutch and flywheel, all slammed into a stripped eg hb.. I ran a 13.756 in hub city (hattiesburg, ms) with a .406 r/t and a 1.985 60ft
on nitto neo gens.. 205-50-15
i was impressed with the run.. I never could get a 13.7 again.. Mainly ran a 13.9999999's rest of the night..
on nitto neo gens.. 205-50-15
i was impressed with the run.. I never could get a 13.7 again.. Mainly ran a 13.9999999's rest of the night..
holy **** really?
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
You ran slow S2000 times when you had the AP1.
You ran normal S2000 times when you had the AP2.
Maybe the AP2's torque band and CDV made it easier to launch/drive.
I ran a 14.0 with a 2.2 60 foot in my AP1 with intake on a very hot day. I didn't really want to launch.
I'm sure the car could have gone high 13s stock. I don't usually drag race. I went because a bunch of my friends were going.
It's not really a case of AP1 vs. AP2. The AP2 is just a little easier to drive. Both cars are capable of about the same 1/4 mile times.
You ran normal S2000 times when you had the AP2.
Maybe the AP2's torque band and CDV made it easier to launch/drive.
I ran a 14.0 with a 2.2 60 foot in my AP1 with intake on a very hot day. I didn't really want to launch.
I'm sure the car could have gone high 13s stock. I don't usually drag race. I went because a bunch of my friends were going.
It's not really a case of AP1 vs. AP2. The AP2 is just a little easier to drive. Both cars are capable of about the same 1/4 mile times.
02-19-2009, 08:34 AM
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
What would happen if the ap1 and ap2 had the same gear ratios? I think everyone would have a different opinion on each motors capabilities if the gears capped out at the same speeds. You can argue that it's only an extra 1000 rpms, but thats 1000 rpms of vtec so its like a JDM newbie badge on a civic coupe. (~15hp)
02-19-2009, 10:11 AM
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
You ran slow S2000 times when you had the AP1.
You ran normal S2000 times when you had the AP2.
Maybe the AP2's torque band and CDV made it easier to launch/drive.
I ran a 14.0 with a 2.2 60 foot in my AP1 with intake on a very hot day. I didn't really want to launch.
I'm sure the car could have gone high 13s stock. I don't usually drag race. I went because a bunch of my friends were going.
It's not really a case of AP1 vs. AP2. The AP2 is just a little easier to drive. Both cars are capable of about the same 1/4 mile times.
You ran normal S2000 times when you had the AP2.
Maybe the AP2's torque band and CDV made it easier to launch/drive.
I ran a 14.0 with a 2.2 60 foot in my AP1 with intake on a very hot day. I didn't really want to launch.
I'm sure the car could have gone high 13s stock. I don't usually drag race. I went because a bunch of my friends were going.
It's not really a case of AP1 vs. AP2. The AP2 is just a little easier to drive. Both cars are capable of about the same 1/4 mile times.
first off im not saying im the best driver but i figured out pretty quick what the s2000 likes at the dragstrip ... both cars i hold the rpm @ about 7500 and slip the clutch all the way out in 1st. the reason i ran slow times in the ap1 is because it would not catch traction the tires on my spoons were almost completely bald. thinking my times were bad i let a few friends drive it that have low 13 second s2000's and they werent able to beat me. im confident that with the t1r's on the ap1 it would have went 13's.
02-19-2009, 10:15 AM
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
the average driver, YES.... S2K's in general need someone who isnt ***** when it comes to driving. I laugh every time i see a S2K at the drag strip coming out the hole they are bogging it to all hell...
plus to the OP theres no way in knowing in what condition his AP1 was in. and he could have had a better feel for the track his 2nd go around with the AP2 unlike he did with his AP1.
i am not making this a AP1/AP2 battle both are good cars but AP2 is more friendly.
plus to the OP theres no way in knowing in what condition his AP1 was in. and he could have had a better feel for the track his 2nd go around with the AP2 unlike he did with his AP1.
i am not making this a AP1/AP2 battle both are good cars but AP2 is more friendly.
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
Like someone mentioned the AP2 is a more driver friendly car with its bigger wheels and more torque (also brake control, DBW, and VSA added on later models) primarily focused on the torque demanding American market.
6-speed, close-ratio
Primary Gear Reduction - 1.160
1st gear - 3.133 --- Est speed @ 9000rpm ~ 45mph
2nd gear - 2.045 --- Est speed @ 9000rpm ~ 60mph
3rd gear - 1.481 --- Est speed @ 9000rpm ~ 90mph
4th gear - 1.161 --- Est speed @ 9000rpm ~ 115mph
5th gear - 0.970 --- Est speed @ 9000rpm ~ 135mph
6th gear - 0.810 --- Est speed @ 9000rpm ~ 160mph
Reverse - 2.800
Final Drive - 4.10 with Torque-Sensing Limited-Slip
AP2
6-Speed Transmissions Gear Ratios:
Primary Gear Reduction - 1.208
1st gear - 3.133
2nd gear - 2.045 --- Est speed @ 8000rpm ~ 52mph
3rd gear - 1.481
4th gear - 1.161
5th gear - 0.942
6th gear - 0.763
Reverse - 2.800
Final Drive Ratio - 4.100
02-19-2009, 02:05 PM
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
i got a jdmb16 with a ctr head and itr trans. a tune, clutch and flywheel, all slammed into a stripped Eg HB.. i ran a 13.756 in hub city (hattiesburg, ms) with a .406 r/t and a 1.985 60ft
on nitto neo gens.. 205-50-15
i was impressed with the run.. i never could get a 13.7 again.. mainly ran a 13.9999999's rest of the night..
on nitto neo gens.. 205-50-15
i was impressed with the run.. i never could get a 13.7 again.. mainly ran a 13.9999999's rest of the night..
and when will you learn that teh AP2 was more DRIVER friendly so any numb numb can drive it better then they could a AP1.
only a good driver can propel a AP1 to the times it is cap. of. the AP2 is just easier to drive with...
only a good driver can propel a AP1 to the times it is cap. of. the AP2 is just easier to drive with...
02-24-2009, 11:01 AM
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
I'm sure with the same tires you could have hit 13's in your ap1, but to be honest even if the cars had the same gear ratios, I'm pretty sure the ap2 would still be better at the drag strip...
It simply has more torque...and at the drag strip torque is BIG...
and some people, including me think stock for stock the ap2 puts a little more peak hp...
and besides, after you put in kpro or ems, you can rev your ap2 to 9000 anyways...
It simply has more torque...and at the drag strip torque is BIG...
and some people, including me think stock for stock the ap2 puts a little more peak hp...
and besides, after you put in kpro or ems, you can rev your ap2 to 9000 anyways...
02-24-2009, 11:02 AM
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I'm sure with the same tires you could have hit 13's in your ap1, but to be honest even if the cars had the same gear ratios, I'm pretty sure the ap2 would still be better at the drag strip...
It simply has more torque...and at the drag strip torque is BIG...
and some people, including me think stock for stock the ap2 puts a little more peak hp...
and besides, after you put in kpro or ems, you can rev your ap2 to 9000 anyways...
It simply has more torque...and at the drag strip torque is BIG...
and some people, including me think stock for stock the ap2 puts a little more peak hp...
and besides, after you put in kpro or ems, you can rev your ap2 to 9000 anyways...
02-25-2009, 05:08 PM
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Re: New car new 1/4 et
Every one has their "safe limits", and I don't own either, BUT:
AP1 9000rpm piston speed = 4961 FPM / 83 FPS
AP2 9000rpm piston speed 5357 FPM / 90 FPS
A difference of less than 400 FPM
approximately an 8 percent increase in piston speed
Not a huge difference IMO...considering the cranks and rods are of comparable strength, I would feel more than safe reving an AP2 to at least 8700rpms, the oiling system on these cars is amazing...
When I buy my ap2 and get kpro, I'll probly set the rev limit around 8900, and typically shift(when driving hard) around 8500-8600
AP1 9000rpm piston speed = 4961 FPM / 83 FPS
AP2 9000rpm piston speed 5357 FPM / 90 FPS
A difference of less than 400 FPM
approximately an 8 percent increase in piston speed
Not a huge difference IMO...considering the cranks and rods are of comparable strength, I would feel more than safe reving an AP2 to at least 8700rpms, the oiling system on these cars is amazing...
When I buy my ap2 and get kpro, I'll probly set the rev limit around 8900, and typically shift(when driving hard) around 8500-8600
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