slammed_93_hatch

going fast cost money. bottom line.


ill take a N/A b series over a boosted H-B-K-D motor, simply because what i do with my car makes an N/ABseries superor to any boosted motor's.


boost is tight though maybe someday when i got the cash

nota-ex

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by egb18turbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, it's pretty hard for all of us to come up with a b18c1 turbo personally the dohc vs. sohc debate has been going on forever(and i would think it would end already) but dohc always comes out with the most power most potential, but it all boils down to your budget. i bet most of us are still attending high school and just have a job thats paying minimum wage</TD></TR></TABLE>

amen to that. plus i have to do some body work/get a paint job. that custom turbo link was bad ***.

drewbie

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amen to that. plus i have to do some body work/get a paint job. that custom turbo link was bad ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what link

SwampThing

you can source a k20 whole swap just seperate pieces at a time for alittle less then $4000 then with I/H/E your in the 12's. thats not even really going into the all motor part yet. so in conclusion id take the k20 all motor swap which will happen when i get back from korea. you can always get swaps cheaper if you source the parts and know where to go.


edit: the 12 second part was something i have heard and havent seen proven yet.

drewbie

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SwampThing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can source a k20 whole swap just seperate pieces at a time for alittle less then $4000 then with I/H/E your in the 12's. thats not even really going into the all motor part yet. so in conclusion id take the k20 all motor swap which will happen when i get back from korea. you can always get swaps cheaper if you source the parts and know where to go.


edit: the 12 second part was something i have heard and havent seen proven yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no.

turbo sohc is cheaper

Night_Minx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'd take a 200whp N/A DOHC over a 200whp turbo'd SOHC any day of the week as well, and I'd be willing to bet I'd win in a 1/4 mile contest, auto-X, road race, and probably even a highway pull too even though the boosted SOHC will make more peak torque.
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I'll be at Minnesota Highway Safety Center's outer high speed ring all this weekend and next if you want to test that theory. I have yet to see an equivelant about (200hp) or greater (220hp) power DOHC powered car contest my 6psi Turbo SOHC. (Of course, my Takuma Sato like skill may play a role)

Oh and I will be driving there and back getting 33mpg just like I did when I drove 3 hours there and back after a day of lapping at Brainerd Int. raceway.
sohc turbo Reliability what?

In the event I move to ATL (which may actually happen) I will personally challenge you to a battle at Road Atlanta to settle the debate. Bring your finest 200whp NA car you can find

Cain Marko

im sensing a challenger in here, id side with b18c5, id rather take a NA car over turbo, to me it just seems more reliable

BLUE EH3

tallblondkid

personally, id go with the DOHC, especially since your still in high school, u need something you can rely on.... i just had to make the same decision about a month ago and i picked up a JDM b16 gen2 w/ LSD complete swap for 2550 shipped... the biggest reason i decided to get away from the d is because of the gearing, it seemed like i could keep up thru 2nd and then every car would wail on me.... turbo is sweet, but for me, aint nothin like all motor wailling on a turbo

drewbie

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tallblondkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">personally, id go with the DOHC, especially since your still in high school, u need something you can rely on.... i just had to make the same decision about a month ago and i picked up a JDM b16 gen2 w/ LSD complete swap for 2550 shipped... the biggest reason i decided to get away from the d is because of the gearing, it seemed like i could keep up thru 2nd and then every car would wail on me.... turbo is sweet, but for me, aint nothin like all motor wailling on a turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>

I liek the d series
its what I have rightnow anyway....
and the gearing isnt that bad....I think a big final drive would help out a lot.
I might get a 4.9 from SRR

FERIOkid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turtlecx92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im sensing a challenger in here, id side with b18c5, id rather take a NA car over turbo, to me it just seems more reliable</TD></TR></TABLE>

thought you wanted to turbo the LS?

Blue-Civic-Hybrid

iTrader: (1)

Great thread to read thru..I'ved noticed the battle lines are drawn pretty vividly over this little debate...

B-series..sorry I am biased...

AMG

TURBO DOHC Or You could do this.....

Personally I choose a jdm gsr over a turbo sohc....well frankly the turbo D never crossed my mind b/c i have no interest in single cam's unless there are two sohc heads on one motor

I love my n/a gsr and will always stay like that. I intend on making my car trackable, when its daily driver status is taken over buy another ride

FOR now I build it N/A and plan on suspension b/c my passion lies for track use. And this could also be a variable for deciding as well

chad

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This thread isn't about who will yield more HP. It's about best bang for the buck. And he over exagerated on alot of those parts. You can have a fully built sohc ready to boost for 400+ for a mere 2500-3000$. Then add a nice turbo setup for another 1500-2000$...thats 5000$ and with a good driver your easily into the mid 11s in a light car.</TD></TR></TABLE>


BULL CRAP....YOU CAN NOT GET A d series to 400 HP for 5000 bucks!!!!!

OHHHHMY....

BME1986

My turbo sohc should be completed and fully tuned for around $1500.

chad

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Night_Minx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'll be at Minnesota Highway Safety Center's outer high speed ring all this weekend and next if you want to test that theory. I have yet to see an equivelant about (200hp) or greater (220hp) power DOHC powered car contest my 6psi Turbo SOHC. (Of course, my Takuma Sato like skill may play a role)

Oh and I will be driving there and back getting 33mpg just like I did when I drove 3 hours there and back after a day of lapping at Brainerd Int. raceway.
sohc turbo Reliability what?

In the event I move to ATL (which may actually happen) I will personally challenge you to a battle at Road Atlanta to settle the debate. Bring your finest 200whp NA car you can find

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you move to atlanta...and i still have my stock ITR swap with aftermarket header i will own your 6 psi!!!!
as long as you are at stock bore

chad

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and my 1000 b16 will still beat it!!! and be more reliable!!!

Sliced Beard

haha someone has called chad out to a race on track!!

all i can say is i hope you have an extremely large amount of luck Night_Minx.... I wish i could be down south when/if this ever happens

Mar_DC2

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and my 1000 b16 will still beat it!!! and be more reliable!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

not everyone can get a B16 for $1,000. if that were the case, i'd have one in my car right now.

the only motors that i wouldnt rape with a turbo are the B16B and B18C5 ONLY because they are type r motors and i think a type r should stay naturally aspirated. also, the K20 because you can make the a lot of N/A power with those. other than that, i'm not going to waste my money to get 20whp out of a B16A or B18C1 when i could put the same ammount of money into a turbo kit and get 100+hp.

Night_Minx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirtyd463 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha someone has called chad out to a race on track!!

all i can say is i hope you have an extremely large amount of luck Night_Minx.... I wish i could be down south when/if this ever happens </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah i better be lucky, hopefully I will have a camcorder by then so i can capture his humiliation on track.

There's no luck needed when you have pure talent...we got real race tracks up here too my friend. BIR=5280ft. straight....

Im an old man like chad. Im sure we've both seen it all

Sliced Beard

well hey, I am not as capable of a driver as chad but i will assure you of this, he definately know how to own a track and those that are on it

Night_Minx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirtyd463 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well hey, I am not as capable of a driver as chad but i will assure you of this, he definately know how to own a track and those that are on it

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Trust me, i have great respect for Sir Chad. I voted for the beast as the best all around car on HT cus as we both know....SHOWKAAS SUCK....I mean really ******* suck. Like as much suck as it would be if i lived in Iraq. ANd that machine is prolly the top example of how hondas should be.

SwampThing

wow mr. teal nice reply you cant even come up with a reason for your diagreement.

and to the guy who said you cant source a b series swap for 1000 must not be looking because thats all you have todo is look

racinskittle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by citrEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

and then be maxed out on the SOHC, and need to do at least some of the internals if you want more out of the "SOHC screamer"... do it right... DOHC. and if you're stuck on FI, turbo the DOHC... that's my story and i'm stickin to it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol to each his own, but i'd rather save my money for better things.

A DIY turbo kit will cost 1200-1700 depending what you get. I think I paid $1600-1800 for EVERY mod I have on my car. Clutch/short shifter/turbo kit and anything else.

The turbo kit itself came in at $1100-1200 It's got a 213whp chip in it (Uberdata)

This was BeerBong's chip and he has the exact setup I do except for the turbine housing on the turbo (mines a tad bigger.)

I also just blew the engine due to human error and the timing tables. How much did my engine cost? $250. D's are a dime a dozen and can be picked up for CHEAP. That's another reason right there to keep the D. I understand the DOHC comments but if you dont want more than 250-300whp D's the way to go. (but D's can make more)

Dont get me wrong, I love the DOHC motor, but if you're just beginning its definately a great start. Plus the FMIC always gets ya props

The sound of the BOV and turbo spooling and the looks from random people make it worth every penny.

racinskittle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So why is it that my 176whp B18C5 stayed almost dead even with a boosted B18B hatchback (Shawn from AL) on a few highway pulls on our way to the H-T ATL meet? I believe he was on 8psi or so, and his car runs great from what I understand.

If the only thing you're concerned with is highway then good for you - I'd rather have everything else and be a bit behind on a highway pull.

Gearing is where the DOHC has the advantage - period.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LS tranny VS Type R tranny for one.

Second was that B18 tuned? B18b on 8psi is good for 210-220.

Third what does dead even mean