pennies_hatchie

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i just bought a b16a sir2 swap from a local that guaranteed me that the tranny was perfect. so before i installed the swap, i put in a brand new exedy clutch kit (im 100% sure i did it correct) reinstalled everything and swapped it in. i first use honda mtf for the tranny. took it for a test drive and it grinds in every gear. also the tranny started leaking like a **** at the intermediate shaft seal. also when in nuetral, there's a high pitch whining noise (unsure of what it is). so i then drain the tranny and put 2 quarts of gm syncromesh friction modified in (still leaking). still grinds like a **** in every gear.

my question is did i install something wrong or did the seller sell me a bad tranny (i didnt know about the seal, but at this point im not too worry about that as much as the grinds)


UPDATE:

1. got the tranny not leak (got a new oil seal)
2. tranny now makes a whiny sound when in nuetral and clutch is not engage, but goes away when you do engage it--from the threads on here, sounds like its the Input Shaft Bearing that is the culprit.
3. still grinds in every gear though, any help with this..

heres some threads i found that had the same problem

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1249624
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1163190
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=854275
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=853734
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=852417

and the how to thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=596873


need more help



Modified by pennies_hatchie at 9:42 PM 7/17/2005

jerbear!

there shud be seals on each side where the axles go in.. are those in there?

Deemeetree

Yes sir, it sounds like a bad tranny with a shot input shaft bearing and/or throwout bearing.

Maybe, the fluid leaking out is causing it to grind. Without fluid, it will grind. Try getting the leak fixed first, then go from there.

pennies_hatchie

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yes they are still there. the passenger side doesnt leak, but the seal where intermediate shaft goes in leaks right at the bottom. i took it out and reinstalled it and it still leaks. so i know i can go out and buy a new seal from honda. but i just want to make sure that i didnt install anything wrong. i mean, i took off the tranny while the swap was out, took off the old clutch (the flywheel is still good) and installed the new clutch with the alignment tool, bolted the pressure plate on. looked at the throw out bearing (still looked good) and bolted the tranny back up. i talked to the seller and he swears there were no grinds before he sold it to me.

JDMisGOOD

Who'd you buy it from?

pennies_hatchie

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deemeetree &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes sir, it sounds like a bad tranny with a shot input shaft bearing and/or throwout bearing.

Maybe, the fluid leaking out is causing it to grind. Without fluid, it will grind. Try getting the leak fixed first, then go from there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well, i put in about 2 quarts of honda mtf (its slowly leaking, a lil more than a drip, but its not leaking like a river either) so there should still be a lot of fluid in the tranny when i took it out for a test drive. grinds in every gear when shifting, but everything shifts fine when you have the clutch down and just shifting around (ive never had a bad clutch so im unsure if this is usual or unusual)

vtecn8ive

yeah I would definately fix that leak. I thought honda calls for 2.5 or 2.8 qts?

If there is I wind I would think it could be in the input bearing . With all gears grinding? Did you bleed the clutch lines? Could be not fully engaging when heating up?

pennies_hatchie

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecn8ive &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah I would definately fix that leak. I thought honda calls for 2.5 or 2.8 qts?

If there is I wind I would think it could be in the input bearing . With all gears grinding? Did you bleed the clutch lines? Could be not fully engaging when heating up?

</TD></TR></TABLE>

i used the original input bearing and throwout fork that came with it. i also bled the clutch 2x when i put it in. but i guess ill try to rebleed it again

vtecn8ive

You changed the input bearing? Like you took apart the tranny and replaced? Do you mean throwout bearing? Input bearing is on the input shift inside the housing.

pennies_hatchie

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecn8ive &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You changed the input bearing? Like you took apart the tranny and replaced? Do you mean throwout bearing? Input bearing is on the input shift inside the housing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, throw out bearing, thanks for the correct shane i didnt open the tranny at all.

poison

Ask the dude if he's ever taken apart the tranny for anything.

Sounds like shifter forks are in the in correct place.

Does it grind when you have the engine running, and put it into every gear without going anywhere?

vtecn8ive

^^ lol, man I couldn't think of the correct terms to use but I was trying to get that out

JUN1OR

sounds like the clutch isn't fully dissengaging. Might not be a bad tranny. But don't drive on it like that. I would guess one of the following:

- Fork is dislodged
- Clutch line has air(did you open the lines or bend a line?)
- clutch master or slave is bad (check for leaks by clutch pedal and by slave cyl)
- Clutch pp isn't on right and/or not disengaging the disc (correct disc for application?)

Just a couple thoughts. Hope this helps.

Junior

pennies_hatchie

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poison &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ask the dude if he's ever taken apart the tranny for anything.

Sounds like shifter forks are in the in correct place.

Does it grind when you have the engine running, and put it into every gear without going anywhere?</TD></TR></TABLE>

1. no
2. yes
3. no

JDM-97CX

Shift forks are fine and clutch install is fine if the engine is running, stopped, in neutral, and it will go in every gear without a problem.

Do you know how many miles are on the tranny?

Is the whining with the clutch pedal depressed or released?

For future referance a flywheel should always be resurfaced when the clutch is replaced.

JDM-97CX

Check your motor mounts and tranny mounts. Having the trans jumping around at all can cause it to not go into gear correctly.

pennies_hatchie

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BUMP....

when clutch is not engage and in nuetral, there is this aweful loud whining noise coming from the tranny.

pennies_hatchie

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ttt

freakin_eLRoD

that aweful whining noise could be the input shaft bearing......i had to get one replaced for a buddy of mine years ago.......pain in the *** without a helms

vtecn8ive

I say tell the guy he is a liar and that he needs to give you some money back and take his garbage tranny back too.

-Shane

HondaTechPro

The trans is probably fine, with the exception of a bad input (mainshaft) bearing. It is VERY VERY EVRY VERY VERY VERY unlikely for a transmission to grind into every gear - unless the clutch does not engage all the way. Fix the clutch.... either get all the air out, put the right disc in, or whatever, but the trans is probably ok - except for the noisey bearing (the seller said it didn't grind, never said anything about a bearing noise). Also to comment on an prior response... HONDA FORBIDS RESURFACING FLYWHEELS!!! Removing material from the flywheel will change the dimensions, and result in lowered clamping force. This can be corrected by shims, but few people take the time.

vtecn8ive

Yeah thats what I was tellint Pennie that its odd that all of the gears would grind.

pennies_hatchie

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecn8ive &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say tell the guy he is a liar and that he needs to give you some money back and take his garbage tranny back too.

-Shane</TD></TR></TABLE>

im trying to work out the details with him, but he goes on and on about it. im probably going to end up opening up the tranny and fixing it myself. im sure its the input shaft thats f--ing things up. but it still grinds though.

1SiKDA8

boooo.....

good luck fixing it