deviant1

Will taking off and putting on your wheels in the rain cause wheel studs to rust with close-ended (prolly not the correct term) lug nuts? you know, cause the water gets trapped in the threading and the lug nut keeps it in there.

alotawatts

No more then open ended...if I understand you.... Do not use anti-seize etc. as a thread protector.

Donkey85

that wont harm the studs with what little rain would get on them

chris_c

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alotawatts &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No more then open ended...if I understand you.... Do not use anti-seize etc. as a thread protector. </TD></TR></TABLE>

it can be used if used properly....

ie.

It should be understood that the subject of torque tension loading is beyond the scope of this document. The information here supplied is an acceptable guide for normal conditions; for critical applications, however, further information and research will be necessary. In preparing this guide to torque values, the following basic assumptions have been made:

(a) bolts and nuts are new, standard finish, uncoated and not lubricated*

(b) the load will be 90% of the bolt yield strength

(c) the coefficient of friction (µ) is 0.14

(d) the final tightening sequence is achieved smoothly and slowly, until the torque tool indicates full torque has been obtained.

* If lubrication has been applied to the bolt and/or the nut (other than the normal protective oil film), multiply the recommended torque by the appropriate factor shown in the table.

Example: bolt and nut are both phosphated; required torque = torque recommended x 0.75

http://www.norbar.com/NTTI/MainMenu.htm

deviant1

Im not talking about anti-seize liquid. Im talking about rain falling on the studs when you have the lug nuts off. When you put the lug nut back on, the water/rain that was on the stud threading will be locked inbetween the stud and the lug nut, thus trapping water in there. Will that evaporate or stay in there causing rust? I know the lug nuts can get pretty hot and I dont think the lug nut creates an air tight bond with the stud. Just wondering cause I rotated my tires in the rain the other day.

photec2

^^^^ yes, it has happened to me and it sucked. i had to get 2 of them replaced

deviant1

anyone else have this happen after putting wheels on in the rain?

RCautoworks

Just wait until it stop raining or throw some grease on the stud and inside the lug nut. And even if water gets in there its gonna just evaporate.

doublejz

i wouoldn't put anti-seize on studs, had a couple friends that used anti-seize and snapped the studs while impacting them on.

deviant1

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did you have open ended lug nuts? My common sense is telling me it will just evaporate on thru the threading, but then again, i dont want to be replacing studs

RCautoworks

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doublejz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i wouoldn't put anti-seize on studs, had a couple friends that used anti-seize and snapped the studs while impacting them on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it was more of the impacts fault then the antiseize.

Just use regular grease, stop freaking out about something so simple. Take off the wheel and see if its rusting, if it is use a wire wheel brush.

photec2

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did you have open ended lug nuts? My common sense is telling me it will just evaporate on thru the threading, but then again, i dont want to be replacing studs</TD></TR></TABLE>

no i had OEM ones

chris_c

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well ****, the torque spec on the lugnut is around 85lb/ft. impact gun, while great for removing lugnuts is not the best of choices one can make upon reinstalling lugnuts [unless a torque bar is used or the gun is dialed to the stated torque].

RCautoworks

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well ****, the torque spec on the lugnut is around 85lb/ft. impact gun, while great for removing lugnuts is not the best of choices one can make upon reinstalling lugnuts [unless a torque bar is used or the gun is dialed to the stated torque]. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, I actually heard ( from a shop owener ) the torque specs were 65ft/lb but I would have to look in my manual to make sure.

adictionbass

80 ft lbs sir. A torque stick is a must when putting wheels on with an impact gun. Okby

AutoXer

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deviant1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone else have this happen after putting wheels on in the rain?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, I've done rain / snow / whathaveyou. No rusting of the lugs on. I've started to use bearing lube on them now though.

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I think that had to do with the impact gun more than anything.

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Yep, I actually heard ( from a shop owener ) the torque specs were 65ft/lb </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's 80 ft/lb.

RCautoworks

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It's 80 ft/lb.

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Yeah I'm sure it is, I never trust any shops anyways.

dantastic

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impacting them on? (with a torque bar? maybe)

i had a seasoned honda mechanic do work on my car once, and he put anti-seize on my lug nuts once. since then, i've had ZERO trouble with lug nuts and studs. now with all my wheel installs, i use a tiny bit of anti-seize.

wheels studs are made of hardened steel. they won't break due to simple surface rust. however, they will break if over tightened/torqued (seized lugs, too powerful of an impact wrench) , over or heat cycled greatly (ie lots of heavy braking, dragging brakes)

chris_c

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Yep, I actually heard ( from a shop owener ) the torque specs were 65ft/lb but I would have to look in my manual to make sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that would sound about right with the anti-sieze on the studs. the torque spec is 85 lb/ft on the lugnut. when you use a lubricant on the studs the required torque needed decreases.

with the anti-seize it may be around 80% that's needed putting the required torque right around 65 lb/ft [that is something that needs to be looked up though].

a table such as below would help:

http://www.norbar.com/pdf_file...e.pdf