installing 4 point harness without roll cage
05-04-2004, 10:58 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (Btothe3rdDegree)
this isnt smart at all. dont get harness seatbelts of you dont have a rollbar or rollcage. most people will bolt them down to the frame. if you were to ever roll over, or get into a major accident, you're stuck. and you will have a big chance of getting a broken spine and/or neck. dont buy them. its not worth dying for.
05-04-2004, 11:01 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (jL iLLuZiOnz 9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jL iLLuZiOnz 9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this isnt smart at all. dont get harness seatbelts of you dont have a rollbar or rollcage. most people will bolt them down to the frame. if you were to ever roll over, or get into a major accident, you're stuck. and you will have a big chance of getting a broken spine and/or neck. dont buy them. its not worth dying for.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what i dont understand is a regular seat belt can give you the same results, except that you can excape from a regular seat belt faster than a harness.
what i dont understand is a regular seat belt can give you the same results, except that you can excape from a regular seat belt faster than a harness.
05-04-2004, 11:03 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (Btothe3rdDegree)
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this topic has been disucesed endlessly and its not smart to do. don't make me get R.J. in this thread
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05-04-2004, 11:05 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (Bull)
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i did some thinking and i believe that Leonardo was the best renassance painter
thanks for the help
anyone else? who has done it?
i did some thinking and i believe that Leonardo was the best renassance painter
thanks for the help
anyone else? who has done it?
05-04-2004, 11:08 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (Kid1320)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kid1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what i dont understand is a regular seat belt can give you the same results, except that you can excape from a regular seat belt faster than a harness. </TD></TR></TABLE>
look at where the regular seat belt is though. it is at shoulder level or higher. which means it will lock back straight, or lock it in upward. now if the seat belt is pointed like this \ into the floor, its pulling downward and you're going foward or upward. now imagine somebody falling on top of your shoulders. thats what it will feel like.
look at where the regular seat belt is though. it is at shoulder level or higher. which means it will lock back straight, or lock it in upward. now if the seat belt is pointed like this \ into the floor, its pulling downward and you're going foward or upward. now imagine somebody falling on top of your shoulders. thats what it will feel like.
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05-04-2004, 11:10 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (Btothe3rdDegree)
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i did some thinking and i believe that Leonardo was the best renassance painter
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******* SEARCH IT HAS BEEN COVERED BEFOR
what is so hard to figure out about that^.
i was gona be nice and search for you, but not any more.
i did some thinking and i believe that Leonardo was the best renassance painter
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******* SEARCH IT HAS BEEN COVERED BEFOR
what is so hard to figure out about that^.
i was gona be nice and search for you, but not any more.
05-04-2004, 11:13 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (Btothe3rdDegree)
The only 4 point harness you should ever do this with are the Schroth DOT-approved harnesses with ASM.
Some of them are optional dealer-installed equipment on BMWs in Germany.
*shrug*
Some of them are optional dealer-installed equipment on BMWs in Germany.
*shrug*
05-04-2004, 11:16 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (SkyeC)
05-04-2004, 11:19 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (slammed_93_hatch)
only way I would run a 4 point would be on an autocross course, for the SOUL purpose of driver control....you're not holding the steering wheel to keep you positioned, but rather for steering 
The risk of a roll over and spinal compression during daily driving is not worth it
The risk of a roll over and spinal compression during daily driving is not worth it
05-04-2004, 11:22 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (JRI94)
seems like its time for one of these...
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (Emerika)
ya or ya know since you cant move your shoulders and since we are alot lower then most trucks having your head takin off by the bumper in a wreck.... thats just a thought, i myself actually like my head being on my body.....
05-04-2004, 11:26 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (jL iLLuZiOnz 9)
whoa sorry guys i did not mean to get everyone bent out of shape, i asked before i searched, next time you see me you can send me to time out, i have read these threads and i realilize it is not worth the risk of death. i will do something not alot of people do on HT i apologize for not searching.
05-04-2004, 11:31 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (jL iLLuZiOnz 9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jL iLLuZiOnz 9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">seems like its time for one of these...</TD></TR></TABLE>
the **** do you keep posting this for?
if you're going to report a post, report it, but don't add to your post count and let everyone know you did.
weirdo.
the **** do you keep posting this for?
if you're going to report a post, report it, but don't add to your post count and let everyone know you did.
weirdo.
05-04-2004, 11:35 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (SkyeC)
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the **** do you keep posting this for?
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hahah holdin it down. i think if someone posts the quote of reporting a post next time we should report them
the **** do you keep posting this for?
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hahah holdin it down. i think if someone posts the quote of reporting a post next time we should report them
05-04-2004, 11:43 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (soundbomber)
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hahah holdin it down. i think if someone posts the quote of reporting a post next time we should report them</TD></TR></TABLE>
HAHA! And then do this?
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HAHA! And then do this?
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05-04-2004, 11:43 AM
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Re: installing 4 point harness without roll cage (SkyeC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkyeC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only 4 point harness you should ever do this with are the Schroth DOT-approved harnesses with ASM.
Some of them are optional dealer-installed equipment on BMWs in Germany.
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Funny thing about those is, they are still TUV approved even without the auto retractor, and can be mounted to the rear belt postions. IMO, they are a very good thing to have even mounted in the rear seat belt position, in a normal wreck, when you flip a car you have bigger problems (where the rollcage comes into play), and they can keep you in place better than a lap belt and normal shoulder harness. The only way they are going to cause spinal compession is if the seat back collapses (which from the wrecks I have seen, takes alot, and you're fucked anyway), or if they are improperly installed, for instance, using the Schroth belts that mount on the C pillar on the lap position without the adapter. In this instance the different length belts will allow you to snap forward worse then a standard seatbelt.
Some of them are optional dealer-installed equipment on BMWs in Germany.
*shrug*</TD></TR></TABLE>
Funny thing about those is, they are still TUV approved even without the auto retractor, and can be mounted to the rear belt postions. IMO, they are a very good thing to have even mounted in the rear seat belt position, in a normal wreck, when you flip a car you have bigger problems (where the rollcage comes into play), and they can keep you in place better than a lap belt and normal shoulder harness. The only way they are going to cause spinal compession is if the seat back collapses (which from the wrecks I have seen, takes alot, and you're fucked anyway), or if they are improperly installed, for instance, using the Schroth belts that mount on the C pillar on the lap position without the adapter. In this instance the different length belts will allow you to snap forward worse then a standard seatbelt.
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