Where are the best places to mount 4 point harnesses w/o a rollcage?

 

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There is no good place without a rollcage, is this a trick question?


Mattj

 

where do people w/o a rollcage mount?

 

Who cares?

Without a cage those belts are dangerous. There is no good place to mount multi-point racing belts without a cage. Period.

 

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If you want people to tell you how to rice out your car and make it considerably less safe to drive, find another forum.

 

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Depends. Would you prefer spinal compression or a crushed head more?

 

If mounting Takata harnesses without the use of a rollcage is so dangerouse then why doesnt the Takata harness instructions manual show pics of a rollcage in the instruction booklet? For the record I would not mount these in my car without the use of a rollcage either, but If they were absolutely mandatory wouldn't the Takata Company stress the use of a rollcage? In the instruction manual for the harnesses they are pictured being strapped to the sides on the floor onext to the seat and the top two belts are bolted down to the rear floor panel where theseat belt buckles are. The instructions stress that the top 2 harness belts must be at a certain angle when bolted behind the seat, if not it could be dangerous.

This is just my understanding after reading the instructions.

If it's sooo dangerous to have these harnesses in your car without a rollcage then why does Takata show you how to install them without the use of a rollcage?????

 

i installed mine temporarily without a rollbar since it has to be custom made, there is 2 14mm bolts that hold the rear seat buckles down that you can use.

 

in the archives, there is much discussion on the harness issue(takata or not), especially from here in the itr forum. i think there is enough info and posts going way back to answer most, if not all your questions....search and dont get flamed

 

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this is not the best attitude when your looking for help.

 

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It is not takata's fault if you wreck yourself while wearing their belts.

 

"i installed mine temporarily without a rollbar since it has to be custom made, there is 2 14mm bolts that hold the rear seat buckles down that you can use."


Thanks, thats all I was asking.

 

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This is just my understanding after reading the instructions.

If it's sooo dangerous to have these harnesses in your car without a rollcage then why does Takata show you how to install them without the use of a rollcage?????
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You get the same anwser here as via IM:

: Its your neck, do what you want.
In a rollover your body has no where to go, it is locked in place. IE: crush neck/spine. With a standard OEM three point belt your body if forced into the center of the car because of the opening in the design.

Just because people do it doesn't make it safe, Its called natural selection

Mattj

 

Seriously.


Ask DanGSR what the inside of his car looked like when he rolled.

He had harnesses and an Autopower rollbar.

When you looked inside from the side windows, you could see exactly where the roof creased and was held up by the roll bar. He escaped this accident Totally unharmed. If he had no rollbar, there would have been some serious injury to either or both himself and passenger.

This spinal compression broken neck stuff is Not Bull ****! Take Very close note of it and if you plan to add harnesses, you should add at least a good rollbar to protect you which also adds a harness bar assisting in the mounting of the shoulder harness.

It's just not worth it.

If you are mounting your harnesses without a rollbar, then you are doing it for looks purely which is terribly dangerous.

If you're smart, you will wait till you have at least a rollbar that will protect you and allow the harnesses to protect you the way they were designed to.

FYI, if you are going with harnesses and especially on a street car or daily driver, you seriously might want to consider racing shell seats as well as the all important rollbar.

It would suck if your seat back broke and you reclined during an accident allowing more than enough room for you to be shot or squeezed out from your harness after smashing your noggin and get ejected out of the closest opening.

Just not worth it, especially not for looks or cool factor, which is exactly what it would only be with harness and no rollbar at least.

 

If you must install it without a rollbar, at least don't drive with them. Putting them in for shows only is better than rolling and turning the pretty green belts red. You have to think about it logically. If by some chance you do roll with them on, you really don't have much of a chance of walking away.

Another thing to consider is that a roll bar is only 350 and easy to install, so why not spend the extra cash? One takata belt could pay for it and it's not like a roll bar looks bad or anything.

If you are planning to run four belts back to the passenger seats, then you obviously don't care about carrying passengers, so why not get a roll bar?

350 for my autopower was one of the best purchases I could have made.

 

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where ever you can find a bolt and hole that's available. Just understand the consequences of using belts incorrectly.

 

Problem is, the thread starter doesn't care about spinal compression or head injuries... because he's obviously far beyond all that.

I'm sure he has passengers in the rear and they just have to straddle the belts, given the attitude seen so far.

Why aren't theads like these locked? And members like these told to take a hike?

 

Good ****!

 

"Problem is, the thread starter doesn't care about spinal compression or head injuries... because he's obviously far beyond all that.
I'm sure he has passengers in the rear and they just have to straddle the belts, given the attitude seen so far.

Why aren't theads like these locked? And members like these told to take a hike?"

Who the hell are you? First off, I dont drive this car, there is a show coming up and I wanted to have the harnesses at least somewhat installed correctly. I have a Cusco 6 point on order right now. This install is temporary. I do realize the consequences of driving the car with the harnesses installed without a rollcage.

Did I ask for anyones opinion? Somebody already properly answered my question and I was happy with that. Why dont you get off your high horse and find somebody else to whack off about.

 

Dont assume things, you just make yourself look like an idiot.

Mods, please close this thread.

 

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oh geez RJ, now you are going ot have to explain why a cusco rollcage isn't as good as any old american design for his car now.

As long as the car doesn't see the street ever, then do whatever. But ask in the appearance forum since that's the proper forum for show cars.

 

Takata 4 point = 100 bonus show points!
Cusco cage = 1,000,000 bonus show points!



Brian

 

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I dont have the time or patience for that one.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=710968

Thats all i'll say.