hondaStarter

i have search honda tech and no thread would answer my problem.

I have a 1998 honda civic ex. I bought it with aftermarket alarm. (Phyton alarm). The alarm system was disarm when i bought it so i did not bother to get the keyless remote. after few days i remove the battery on the car. But when i return the battery, the car would not start.

So, i tried to remove the alarm from the car. I looked for the wire the is connected in the ignition wires. I saw that a white and black wire in the ignition was cut and the alarm wire was connected in each end.

I removed the alarm wires and connected the two ends of the ignition wires.
But after so many attempt to start car. it would not start.

NO click of the starter. NO crank at all. It seems that no electric is going to the engine

The main relay is working because its clicking. I check the fuses all are ok..

Did I miss something? anyone who had experience like mine pls. help...

boosting sol

check the wires on the starter to see if they are gettin power.

hondaStarter

how to check it? without a multi meter.

No click in the starter at all. and i heard the fuel pump primes because there is a whizzing sound once i turn the key and the main relay click twice. first when, key turns and when the check engine disappears..

thank you..

boosting sol

here is a wiring diagram check all of the wires and make sure they are all connected to the right place.

hondaStarter

i checked the wires in the ingnition. it is all connected. two SMALL BLUE wires connected.
one BIG WHITE connected. One black and white connected. Yellow wire connected.

im at dead end. i dont know what will be the next.

scrambled_EG

You can also jump the starter straight from battery.

philosofy1

How long did you have the battery out? Sometimes the battery can loose charge. I would have the battery tested to make sure that it has the right amount of volts and amps.

95jdmcivic

try kick starting your car, if that doesnt work, check your starter power wire and input signal wire.

hondaStarter

thanks for the replies..

1. how to jump start the starter directly from the battery. sorry for being noob here.

is that like jumpstarting the compressor?? i will get a wire and connect it directly form the negative of the battery and the starter.


im examining it right now. the installation of the alarm is not simple, i saw a loop wire looks like the starter wire (black/white) its in the very deep part of the dash. what should i do with the loop wire.

I already cut the starter wire right under the steering and reconnect it.

hondaStarter

i already checked it. i dont have a buddy to push the car. i wish i would have.

the alarms installation is very smart i think, im missing something

joelmatt89

The only thing that will keep the car from starting cause by the alarm is that ignition wire you saw. If you connected that correctly your good. Why would you not get the keyless entry for the alarm thats like having 300 bucks locked in your glove compartment and your car is less likely to get stolen... that doesn't make sense.

hondaStarter

[QUOTE=joelmatt89;40398548]The only thing that will keep the car from starting cause by the alarm is that ignition wire you saw. If you connected that correctly your good. Why would you not get the keyless entry for the alarm thats like having 300 bucks locked in your glove compartment and your car is less likely to get stolen... that doesn't make sense.[/QUOT

i already removed the wires of the alarm. no turning back. and i bought this car without the remote. the alarm was just engaged when i removed the battery.


according to my research, this king of alarm has the "failsafe starter" feature. i dont know to bypass it.

hondaStarter

this is the wire connector i saw under the dash, i did not touch these wire yet. (i only cut and reconnect those right beneath the ignition) the colors of the wires are like that in the ignition wires, same size also. black/yellow and black/white and there is a small red wire.

pls tell me if i need to do something in this to have my car running.

hondaStarter

help!!! i need helpppp

joelmatt89

to jump the starter from a battery connect the positive to the positive lead on the starter. You can just ground the battery to the block. I doubt that is your problem. If you already removed the ignition kill feature like you said, there is nothing the alarm can do to keep the car from starting...I know this I have installed multiple directed electronics alarms which is what you have. Make sure you wired it correctly. If I were you I would try to get my hands on the installation manual, if your going to remove the alarm remove the whole thing. It just seems like such a waste to trash the alarm and a good stealth install like it sound like you have...where is the brain btw. Have you tried bump starting the car yet that will be very useful to diagnosing your problem for you.

hondaStarter

thank you for taking time answering this. really appreciate it.

i already jumpstarted the battery and it starts (one click). it means that the problem is really the ignition.

i already removed the whole alarm. im holding the brain now. you said that you installed Directed Alarms.. in the python 700 model, is there any stealth wires that you used for the starter kill? or is there relay that is being used for this model.


what i saw is that the starter wire (black/white) was cut then the two ends were connected to the alarm brain. what i did is i removed the wires from the alarm brain then i reconnected the starter wire (black/white)


Then , there is a yellow wire connected to the a white wire (constant 12v) in the ignition harness. And, a red wire is connected to a black/yellow wire in the ignition harness. I removed all of these and reconnected the wires.

what im suspecting right now is that there is a stealth relay installed. or there is something wrong with the ignition harness connection to the key port.

questions:

1. In your experience is there any stealth wires used for starter kill?

2. What do you think of the wires i cut and recoonected?

3. what is the possibility of making it work if i reinstall the alarm?

Again, really appreaciate it!!