Engine replacements for OBD2 car
09-20-2005, 06:43 PM
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Engine replacements for OBD2 car
Okay so my buddy is buying a 96 Civic DX Hatch. I was told (by another friend who is frequently wrong) to pass NYS inspection, that the ecu needs to be a 96 civic computer.
Problem is, he wants to put a B16A2 (or whatever is in the 99 Civic Si), along with the accompanying ECU. They're pretty cheap to get it seems. But we can't do that if the ECU needs to be a "96" ecu.
I think my friend is wrong. I think as long as it's obd2 and the ecu matches the engine, it shouldn't matter.
Rememeber NYS inspection has a direct plug-in to a computer in order to pass inspection. No check engine lights can be on in order to pass.
Problem is, he wants to put a B16A2 (or whatever is in the 99 Civic Si), along with the accompanying ECU. They're pretty cheap to get it seems. But we can't do that if the ECU needs to be a "96" ecu.
I think my friend is wrong. I think as long as it's obd2 and the ecu matches the engine, it shouldn't matter.
Rememeber NYS inspection has a direct plug-in to a computer in order to pass inspection. No check engine lights can be on in order to pass.
09-20-2005, 06:45 PM
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Re: Engine replacements for OBD2 car (RudeLude95)
When they plug in to the car, the ECU needs to say 1996 Honda Civic, to match the registration. the model of the car doesn't matter.
You cant run a b16 VTEC off a non vtec ECU. Also the redline is differnt on a b16 than a d16
You cant run a b16 VTEC off a non vtec ECU. Also the redline is differnt on a b16 than a d16
09-20-2005, 07:01 PM
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Re: Engine replacements for OBD2 car (RudeLude95)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Okay so my buddy is buying a 96 Civic DX Hatch. I was told (by another friend who is frequently wrong) to pass NYS inspection, that the ecu needs to be a 96 civic computer.
Problem is, he wants to put a B16A2 (or whatever is in the 99 Civic Si), along with the accompanying ECU. They're pretty cheap to get it seems. But we can't do that if the ECU needs to be a "96" ecu.
I think my friend is wrong. I think as long as it's obd2 and the ecu matches the engine, it shouldn't matter.
Rememeber NYS inspection has a direct plug-in to a computer in order to pass inspection. No check engine lights can be on in order to pass.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Im in cali, so i cant tell you for sure, but that would be the most retarded law ever written.
Cali has the hardest emission laws in the U.S. and here we have to swap with the same year motor OR NEWER. Obviously the Ecu would have to match the engine. Meaning if you have a 97 b18c, you have to have a 97 ecu. Im sure your law is very similar in that as long as you have your car up to 99 Si specs then you will pass with flying colors. The only other step we have to go thru is taking it to the B.A.R. to get it legalized.
If your referring to your 'inspection' as the B.A.R. inspection, then your friend should be wrong.
Modified by FuNkDrSpOt at 9:13 PM 9/20/2005
Problem is, he wants to put a B16A2 (or whatever is in the 99 Civic Si), along with the accompanying ECU. They're pretty cheap to get it seems. But we can't do that if the ECU needs to be a "96" ecu.
I think my friend is wrong. I think as long as it's obd2 and the ecu matches the engine, it shouldn't matter.
Rememeber NYS inspection has a direct plug-in to a computer in order to pass inspection. No check engine lights can be on in order to pass.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Im in cali, so i cant tell you for sure, but that would be the most retarded law ever written.
Cali has the hardest emission laws in the U.S. and here we have to swap with the same year motor OR NEWER. Obviously the Ecu would have to match the engine. Meaning if you have a 97 b18c, you have to have a 97 ecu. Im sure your law is very similar in that as long as you have your car up to 99 Si specs then you will pass with flying colors. The only other step we have to go thru is taking it to the B.A.R. to get it legalized.
If your referring to your 'inspection' as the B.A.R. inspection, then your friend should be wrong.
Modified by FuNkDrSpOt at 9:13 PM 9/20/2005
09-20-2005, 07:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2nick »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well the motor doesn't necesairly need to be a 96 motor. It HAS to be a 96 ecu, but the motor can be 96-99, as long as its compatable w/ the ecu. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you sure thats the law? Who the **** wrote a law stating you could change your motor but not your ecu? Are you sure you know what your talking about?
Are you sure thats the law? Who the **** wrote a law stating you could change your motor but not your ecu? Are you sure you know what your talking about?
09-20-2005, 07:48 PM
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Well California is almost always the same as NY when it comes to emissions and such.
I dunno it seems that if he has a 99 Si ecu with a 99 Civic Si motor he should be able to pass. If he had a 99 B16 motor with his 96 d16 ecu he would almost definitely not pass.
I dunno it seems that if he has a 99 Si ecu with a 99 Civic Si motor he should be able to pass. If he had a 99 B16 motor with his 96 d16 ecu he would almost definitely not pass.
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09-20-2005, 07:55 PM
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the whole reason behind these laws is emission related.. newer engines come with better equipped emission systems so putting a newer engine in your car should be no hassle
09-20-2005, 08:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well California is almost always the same as NY when it comes to emissions and such.
I dunno it seems that if he has a 99 Si ecu with a 99 Civic Si motor he should be able to pass. If he had a 99 B16 motor with his 96 d16 ecu he would almost definitely not pass.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok well if they're the same then as long as the ecu is the same year as your engine, and both are the same year or older than the year of your car, you will be fine for B.A.R.ing your car.
Your friend is wrong, and Dc2nick is a f-in' idiot for talking about something he has no idea about. If there's anything i hate most about H-T its people who talk about what they think they know with no basis on reality or fact, only on what they heard or what they believe.
I dunno it seems that if he has a 99 Si ecu with a 99 Civic Si motor he should be able to pass. If he had a 99 B16 motor with his 96 d16 ecu he would almost definitely not pass.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok well if they're the same then as long as the ecu is the same year as your engine, and both are the same year or older than the year of your car, you will be fine for B.A.R.ing your car.
Your friend is wrong, and Dc2nick is a f-in' idiot for talking about something he has no idea about. If there's anything i hate most about H-T its people who talk about what they think they know with no basis on reality or fact, only on what they heard or what they believe.
09-20-2005, 10:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey now, be nice...that's why i asked this on Hondatech - to settle this question.
BTW the "friend" is dc2nick lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bwuahahhahhhaahahahaaahh. Get a new friend to ask about cars. He should really research what he tells his friends if he's a true 'friend'.
BTW the "friend" is dc2nick lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bwuahahhahhhaahahahaaahh. Get a new friend to ask about cars. He should really research what he tells his friends if he's a true 'friend'.
09-21-2005, 05:53 AM
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Yeah i mean if "legitimate" people actually need a new engine for their Camry or w/e, it seems like any year engine would work as a replacment, as long as it's obd2.
09-21-2005, 06:45 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FuNkDrSpOt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Ok well if they're the same then as long as the ecu is the same year as your engine, and both are the same year or older than the year of your car, you will be fine for B.A.R.ing your car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same year or newer. If you had a motor and ecu that was older than teh year of your car you may be changine your emissions standards to something less than what the car was originally equipped with.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MORON »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your friend is wrong, and Dc2nick is a f-in' idiot for talking about something he has no idea about. If there's anything i hate most about H-T its people who talk about what they think they know with no basis on reality or fact, only on what they heard or what they believe.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Based on your last statement being wrong you have no room to speak. If you don't like it here than leave, you haven't made any good contributions to this site anyway. Leave and never come back.
Ok well if they're the same then as long as the ecu is the same year as your engine, and both are the same year or older than the year of your car, you will be fine for B.A.R.ing your car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same year or newer. If you had a motor and ecu that was older than teh year of your car you may be changine your emissions standards to something less than what the car was originally equipped with.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MORON »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your friend is wrong, and Dc2nick is a f-in' idiot for talking about something he has no idea about. If there's anything i hate most about H-T its people who talk about what they think they know with no basis on reality or fact, only on what they heard or what they believe.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Based on your last statement being wrong you have no room to speak. If you don't like it here than leave, you haven't made any good contributions to this site anyway. Leave and never come back.
09-21-2005, 10:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FuNkDrSpOt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Ok well if they're the same then as long as the ecu is the same year as your engine, and both are the same year or older than the year of your car, you will be fine for B.A.R.ing your car.
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I just passed the B.A.R inspection in my EK with a 2001 GSR using a 1997 GSR ECU. The book said P72, my ecu said P72
Ok well if they're the same then as long as the ecu is the same year as your engine, and both are the same year or older than the year of your car, you will be fine for B.A.R.ing your car.
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I just passed the B.A.R inspection in my EK with a 2001 GSR using a 1997 GSR ECU. The book said P72, my ecu said P72
09-21-2005, 08:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Oren »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just passed the B.A.R inspection in my EK with a 2001 GSR using a 1997 GSR ECU. The book said P72, my ecu said P72.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You got lucky and either got an idiot or a guy who was hella cool. They can plug into the ecu to tell the year, and if its not the same year they have the option of failing you.
Your guy must have not known how to read the ecu codes. You can read the ecu beyond 'P72', you do know that right? There are codes that tell you the year it was made. Ill give you my code and it says through code that its a 98-99 GSR ecu.
edit: my year ecu is 'A04' which denotes 98-99. If you know the codes you can read the years.
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Modified by FuNkDrSpOt at 9:26 PM 9/22/2005
You got lucky and either got an idiot or a guy who was hella cool. They can plug into the ecu to tell the year, and if its not the same year they have the option of failing you.
Your guy must have not known how to read the ecu codes. You can read the ecu beyond 'P72', you do know that right? There are codes that tell you the year it was made. Ill give you my code and it says through code that its a 98-99 GSR ecu.
edit: my year ecu is 'A04' which denotes 98-99. If you know the codes you can read the years.
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09-21-2005, 08:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM-97CX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Same year or newer. If you had a motor and ecu that was older than teh year of your car you may be changine your emissions standards to something less than what the car was originally equipped with.
Based on your last statement being wrong you have no room to speak. If you don't like it here than leave, you haven't made any good contributions to this site anyway. Leave and never come back.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It was a typo. Not wrong info. I obviously meant same year or newer. Get a new diss, 'leave and never come back', you've used that about 10 times today. I contributed plenty to this thread already, all you did was correct my typo, eat my *** bitch. Quit acting like your last name is Honda. BEcides, when have i ever said that i dont like honda tech??!?!? quote me on that!!!! Quit assuming you stupid *** and go belittle someone else. Go take some drugs, your anti-stupid
Same year or newer. If you had a motor and ecu that was older than teh year of your car you may be changine your emissions standards to something less than what the car was originally equipped with.
Based on your last statement being wrong you have no room to speak. If you don't like it here than leave, you haven't made any good contributions to this site anyway. Leave and never come back.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It was a typo. Not wrong info. I obviously meant same year or newer. Get a new diss, 'leave and never come back', you've used that about 10 times today. I contributed plenty to this thread already, all you did was correct my typo, eat my *** bitch. Quit acting like your last name is Honda. BEcides, when have i ever said that i dont like honda tech??!?!? quote me on that!!!! Quit assuming you stupid *** and go belittle someone else. Go take some drugs, your anti-stupid
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Yeah i mean if "legitimate" people actually need a new engine for their Camry or w/e, it seems like any year engine would work as a replacment, as long as it's obd2.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do my posts show up twice randomly? That only happens on Honda-Tech.
Very odd.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its a glitch, started last night.
Very odd.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its a glitch, started last night.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Oren »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just passed the B.A.R inspection in my EK with a 2001 GSR using a 1997 GSR ECU. The book said P72, my ecu said P72</TD></TR></TABLE>
Did you change your steering column ignition-key-thingie? What year car do you have? (i dont know what the name for it is.)
Did you change your steering column ignition-key-thingie? What year car do you have? (i dont know what the name for it is.)
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah i mean if "legitimate" people actually need a new engine for their Camry or w/e, it seems like any year engine would work as a replacment, as long as it's obd2.</TD></TR></TABLE>
talk to your local B.A.R. rep. Here in Cali, the ecu has to be the same year or newer or the rep has the ability to fail you. This is of course he checks it and knows what he's looking for, but why take any chances especially since there's no price difference from year to year.
talk to your local B.A.R. rep. Here in Cali, the ecu has to be the same year or newer or the rep has the ability to fail you. This is of course he checks it and knows what he's looking for, but why take any chances especially since there's no price difference from year to year.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2nick »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well the motor doesn't necesairly need to be a 96 motor. It HAS to be a 96 ecu, but the motor can be 96-99, as long as its compatable w/ the ecu. </TD></TR></TABLE>
SOHC ecu's dont work with DOHC ecu's....how do you explain people getting B.A.R.ed with b16's in their car when they didnt have a 99-00?
SOHC ecu's dont work with DOHC ecu's....how do you explain people getting B.A.R.ed with b16's in their car when they didnt have a 99-00?
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