hondaeg6chue

hi im new on here and was referred to this website for help.

d16z6 vitara pistons 75.5mm with eagle rods
acl bearings, arp head studs, all oem gaskets
59300 zex camshaft with supertech valve springs and ti retainers
stock intake manifold and exhaust manifold
aem short ram
stock p28 ecu (have a po6 too)

Im having some problems setting the timing on the engine.
Everything installed i go start it and let it warmed up til fan kicked on installed the service connector pin and check timing and im way advanced like an inch from the red mark. if i retard my distributor all the way im half an inch from the mark on the crank pulley.

heres how i did timing:
set the the cam gear and timing gear TDC
installed tensioner/spring.
route belt to pulley,tensioner,water pump,cam gear and back to the pulley.
bolt tensioner half way and installed crank pulley bolt.
turn it counterclockwise three cam teeth car from TDC then tight and torque tensioner bolt.
turn it counterclockwise 360 degrees til the cam gear and timing gear is back to TDC
it all matched up even the crank pulley to the cover

i need some help on what im doing wrong
idk if pictures can help but i can take some if needed.
takes about 30min to get to the timing belt.

any help is appreciated and Thank You!

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Why is the P28 stock? And why do you have an engine built for turbo with no turbo?

hondaeg6chue

its because i just recently built this engine and put it into the car and it's its first startup. ive read couple threads that you can run p28 or p06 stock ecu but you have to retard timing and turn down the fuel pressure because of the low compression and running rich.

i believe its a safety to break in the first 500 miles for engine and the clutch
before changing the oil and filter and installing the turbo kit in.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

I don't know where you heard that tripe about turning down fuel pressure.
You can run the stock ECU if the injectors are stock BUT you have a turbo cam and aftermarket retainers/springs in the head. How do you think THOSE will affect how your engine runs? You probably need an aftermarket cam gear.

And you should b breaking that engine in on the DYNO. Your belief has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

hondaeg6chue

at first my timing was way off so i found that the timing on the timing gear was wrong so i redid all the timing but now its where its at 1in off on the advanced side
i did it again the second time maybe the tensioner was not adjusted correctly so i did that but no change.
im gonna go take some pictures if that helps.

also my crank pulley somehow has five timing marks
three on the left and two on the right
i thought it had only one at TDC
my d15b7 has only one TDC
is the d15b7 interchangeable with d16z6 crank pulley?
i like it because its has only two slots for the alt and ac belt and its lighter.

i do not know if this info help but its something i like to throw out if someone can help.
thx

hondaeg6chue

right now fuel pressure is stock at 38psi and it is on stock injectors.
so you think maybe my problem is in the camshaft of not having an adjustable cam gear?
you think putting my stock camshaft will fix that timing issue?

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

I would get a cam gear.
See if this sheds some light. It has links to other resources.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/zex-59300-cam-d16y8-timing-issue-594499/

hondaeg6chue

ok thanks
ATM i dont have an adjustable cam gear but it seems like that camshaft may be the problem ill go switch it back to stock and see if my timing is right.

hondaeg6chue

lol i forgot to do valve adjustment on my car since i put the stock camshaft on.
well i got it in but now g2g fix my bros truck
will be back
if anyone got any other advice let me know
thanks

hondaeg6chue

bump
ok well after the adjustment it started up again
just gotta wait til it gets hot then start checking timing

hondaeg6chue

right now timing is in red mark.
took it out for a test drive and it well stall if i accelerate just a little bit
i dont have a wideband but an a/f gauge and its reading kinda rich right now
should i turn down the fuel? or retard ignition timing? of the low compression
thanks

hondaeg6chue

well i retard timing 2 degrees and stalling went away
i drove it around the block and seems okay for now
got to get used to that clutch and light flywheel lol

hondaeg6chue

seems to stall under 2k rpm in 1st and 2nd gear
my ignition timing was retard 2 degrees
is that what affects it

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

If I were you I'd finish building the engine, including turbo kit, and get it tuned. Makes no sense to try and get it running in this condition when you're going to be modifying it in short order down the road. Never seen anyone that built and boosted and engine go about it this way.

Cal your tuner and discuss it.