rxse7n

I have read a lot about Integra brakes on EG's, and I just need a couple of correct answers for my specific situation. I have a 93 dx hatch. I installed complete integra brakes from a 95 ls. When I press the pedal, it goes nearly to the floor before really engaging the brakes. I have bled the system well, so I assume this is due to the lack of integra mc, prop. valve, and booster. What exact parts for the three I mentioned will work the best and be easiest to install? I will be picking them up tomorrow.

Archidictus

How sure are you that you bled the system correctly? The addition of bigger brakes in the front shouldn't necessitate any additional hardware unless you want to increase the clamping force applied when your brakes engage. This sounds very much like an air bubble or system leak.

rxse7n

I replaced the rear drums with integra rear brakes as well.

Archidictus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rxse7n &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I replaced the rear drums with integra rear brakes as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What rear brake lines and E-brake cables are you using? Did you bleed all four corners? In what order? Is there a progressive but weak braking throughout the pedal travel or is it a sudden, hard braking near the bottom?

rxse7n

I am using the integra rear brake lines and the integra ebrake cables. The ebrake works fine. I bled all four corners, but not in any particular order...now I feel dumb. I didnt know there was an order to it. It is basically an inch or so from the floor and the brakes kick in progressively from there. The pedal is squishy as well.

Archidictus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rxse7n &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am using the integra rear brake lines and the integra ebrake cables. The ebrake works fine. I bled all four corners, but not in any particular order...now I feel dumb. I didnt know there was an order to it. It is basically an inch or so from the floor and the brakes kick in progressively from there. The pedal is squishy as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is a specific pattern, but it's really just to minimize the possibility of pulling air through one valve into a long line and thus having to bleed the longer line again, savvy?

It's possible that your M/C is faulty or has failed over time. It's not a huge liklihood but loss of complete compression in any sealed cylinder (brake booster too) will result in loss of compression. Just like bad compression kills engine output, bad compression kills brake clamping force. You'll need to check for vacuum leaks and fluid trickles around the lines and cylinders. It'll be time consuming, but worth it when you have instant response.

Get back to us when you've done some tests. You only fail if you give up .

rxse7n

Do you recommend picking up the integra booster, mc, and prop. valve? I am getting them for $100.

92b16vx

Yes, get those parts, you'll want them. My friend put the rear disc on his and he didn't replace the prop valve, now his rears barely clamp unless he uses the ebrake. The MC/booster will improve you pedal travel a good deal.

rxse7n

I will get them tomorrow and bleed everything again. Let you both know how it goes. Thanks for the advice.

tominos

hey james, what's going on with those nitrous parts you were supposed to send me? i haven't heard from you in a while, what's the deal? is your pm not working?

rxse7n

Yeah I just got it. PM'ed you back.

Solracer

If the ar is stop and you put pressure on the brake pedal does it slowly sink to the floor? If so you probably have a bad master cylynder.

rxse7n

No it doesnt sink. It just doesnt really engage until about an inch or two from the floor. I do not like having to press my brakes almost to the floor to make them work. I dont like the pedal feel at all. Nobody ever mentioned, what mc, prop. valve, and booster will be the easiest to swap over? I am picking them up today. Do I get all integra parts or are some oddball ones easier to change over?

rxse7n

Found the info I needed. Nevermind. I will post back with results.

rxse7n

Bled the brake system over and over again this afternoon, and that greatly helped the problem. There was just a ton of air in the system. I picked up the m/c, booster, and prop. valve today and I will be installing them this weekend. To anyone that is wondering, installing the integra brakes while leaving the stock civic m/c, booster, and valve just make the pedal feel about like the stock civic pedal. It is a little squishy but just about the same. It will be interesting to see what difference the new parts make.

2lua

there is a pattern to bleed your brake, if you are getting the gsr mc be sure that you get the fitting on the left cause you stock fitting will not fit and both stock line are on the right side. you have to bent or modify= (cut and reflare) the line that close to fire wall to the left side of gsr mc.

rxse7n

I actually went with a del sol si vtec version. It is not quite as big as the integra, but a little bigger than the civic. 7/8 to be exact. And the fittings are in the same place.

2lua

if it's for all disk brake then you good to go!!! you asked which one is the easiest to install? i say the bb, mc, prop. if you have the swap then you have to do the bb or the prop then the mc. cause there is no room for the bb and mc go in at once! but you can do it! just take your time.

92b16vx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rxse7n &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I actually went with a del sol si vtec version. It is not quite as big as the integra, but a little bigger than the civic. 7/8 to be exact. And the fittings are in the same place.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Del Sol Si, and the Vtec are two different models. The Si has the D16Z6 and the Vtec has the B16A3/2. The Si has the 7/8 and the Vtec has the 15/16's, mine came frm the Vtec.

rxse7n

Actually there was the Del Sol Si, and the Del Sol Si Vtec. The vtec model with the DOHC engine still had the SI in the title.

rxse7n

As far as the size, they said it is 7/8. They were sure it was off the DOHC Del Sol, so maybe they just go the size wrong. Can anyone else confirm that the 94-97 Del Sol Si Vtec came with the 15/16 m/c?

92b16vx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rxse7n &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually there was the Del Sol Si, and the Del Sol Si Vtec. The vtec model with the DOHC engine still had the SI in the title.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it didn't. The Si and the Vtec are two different cars. Both had vtec motors the Si had the D16Z6 and the Vtec had the B16A3/2. It would be redundant to call the Vtec the Si Vtec since they BOTH had vtec motors, that just doesn't make any sense.

Del Sol models are
S
Si
Vtec

But anyway, here is a pic of the two MC's, the one on the car is a 7/8's the one in my hand is a 15/16's that I pulled from a DOHC Del Sol, the ears are facing different directions, and the fitting on the right side is bigger.



Sorry about the size

dannylDAsport

check your power booster clearence adjustment.

taz77

i can't help with the parts, but check the caliper slides as well.
if they are rusted or frozen onto the caliper bracket, it will cause a low pedal before actually engaging the brakes.