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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 04:01 PM
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thanks, did all the current work myself so far what u see is a cf hood, wing and mirrors and hid's, buddy club full coil overs, rota rims, blackworks rear brace and godspeed lca, sturt bar a,b,c and the evol h2b kit.
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 07:57 PM
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hate the wheels, but like everything else. can't wait to see the f20b built n put in there
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 10:09 PM
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****giving back to honda-tech for what i've learn over the past years and trying to teach my little brother the same ****









First of all I wanted to give thanks to the following people:

Tou - P.R.E
Keep in mind I only have 6 people who I completely trust with my friendship, cars & money and Tou is one of them. I’ve known him & his younger brothers since Jr. High. Thanks for walking me through this engine build and sharing your knowledge.

Jordan – Jordantuned.com
Of also one of the 6 friends who I trust & care about. I’ve known for 8yrs. He’s always has my back making sure I don’t chew off more than I can handle when it comes to Hondas.

Pat – R.D.R
Same as above, one of the guys that I met 8yrs ago which we just seemed to connect well.
He’s always coached me along the way just like tou & Jordan. Pat is probably the best “teacher” I now when it comes to drawing things out & explaining how things works in simple terms. I’m still waiting for him to jump back in the game when he’s ready.

Chris & MAP
MAP provided the best rock bottom pricing & has flexible dyno hours.
Buy doing this, it helped us greatly with the our B20 rebuild goals & data collecting.
Most importantly, Chris does care about the local honda guys. He's genuinely ask good questions about Honda which he's still learning & chatted with the guys who came out to watch/support.





This is my brother, Alex’s motor car which was rebuilt after his jdm b20b I swapped in spun a bearing only after 8 months of heavy abuse from Alex. I use to have a build thread on mnhondas but I didn’t see any benefit to it due to fear of theft.

Nonetheless, I still wanted to show what can be accomplished with simple parts and knowledge. Before you ask my why I didn’t do B20V, I’ll just say because my little brother doesn’t deserve it yet. He needs to learn to appreciate how to make power before I just hand it over to him.

The plan was 2stage build:
1st stage is B20 rebuild with cams 155-160whp
2nd stage will be small turbo to hit 270-280whp = coming end of 2012




Here is the break down of general parts used:


JDM B20B 8.8:1cr (84x89)
ACL race bearings mains & rods ***MAP***
ARP rod bolts *** MAP***
ARP head studs *** MAP***

JDM B20B P75 head
Milled head - P.R.E spec to raise compression from 8.8 to 9.7cr
RDR “Pat” race spec 5 angle valve job (no porting)
Delta 272 cams
Rocketmotorsports spark plugs
Rocketmotorsports snap-fit valve springs

Stock seats & retainers
Ebay cam gears
Blox intake manifold & B18a1 58mm throttle body
Ebay Tri-Y replica header “small tube” 2.5” collector
2.20” crush bent exhaust piping





Baseline pull vs. last pull
Jordan came over 9pm Wednesday to provide base map & 20mins of street tuning. We put it through a few hours of driving & made sure he engine sealed up well 215psi across the board.


Alex’s B20b vs. jdm B16a2 (decent header, intake, exhaust & tuned)
This is why I dislike b16 for NA. Most people pay $1900-2200 for a jdm b16 swap + money for bolt ons and still doesn't have a usable powerband. IMHO I'd only build a B16a NA as a practice car lapping/drag or teaching my sons how to drive cause those suckers never seem to die or hardly spin bearings.


Alex’s B20b vs. my b18c1 gsr
This is back during 2009 MAP dyno day in the summer.
GSR with skunk2 IM, gsr tb, hondata gasket, stock header, 60mm rsr full exhast. Back when we swapped in the BONE STOCK B20B (no header) 6500rpm redline, Alex's DA B20 2550lbs still killed my EF Si GSR 2300lbs in any racing conditon up to about 80-85mph in 4th. I know this new motor would certainly kill most GSR swaped civic up to 100mph.



The final results speak for themselves.
You don't need a lot of money or fancy parts to make good power.
Don't chase other people, do reasearch, ask good questions and be realistic about what you can do financially & I promise MAP will help you out with best pricing on parts.






I'm no expert or not saying this is the only way to build it.
I'm just sharing you what we've done and you can take what you want from it.


I'm very pleased with the results & we were able to stay within budget.
This should be the standard of what budget NA b-nonvtec motors build should comprise of. Too many times I see people waste money on the wrong parts.

Considering b20b dyno at 128-130whp and 120tq
We spent
$160 on cams
$75 cam gears
$165 valvesprings
$170 header
$80 used block intake manifold

$650 in aftermarket parts for gains 25whp gains and 10-12tq is money well spent.
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 10:10 PM
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here are some pictures of the build





reason for the tear down..... spun oem bearing cause rod bolt was loose





Ebay



Milled


Honed stock rods




delta 272










RMS - snap fit to oem retainers



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Old Feb 3, 2012 | 05:02 AM
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Whats up BNB. Started on the engine tuck last week. Still not finished. Here are some picks though. also got a rear disc swap, carbon trunk, center armrest, and jdm steering wheel since I had been on here last. So hows everyone been? Have a good weekend.
started taking harness apart


Expandible sleeving

Going on





Rear disc swap I paid $100 bucks for

And this lol
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Old Feb 3, 2012 | 09:03 AM
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Happy Friday BNB!! hey guys quick question are USDM b18c1 parts interchangeable with a JDM B18C ? Also what do you guys think about Innovative motor mounts?

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Old Feb 3, 2012 | 10:12 AM
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they are the same engine. the only think you dont want to swap are mix/matching cam caps. otherwise other things are interchangeable. innovative mounts are koo. just make sure you buy the appropriate bushing insert for your type of driving.
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Old Feb 3, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by My_EFsedan
they are the same engine. the only think you dont want to swap are mix/matching cam caps. otherwise other things are interchangeable. innovative mounts are koo. just make sure you buy the appropriate bushing insert for your type of driving.
ok sounds good to me....I would go with Hasport motor mounts but Innovative are about 30 bucks less.
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Old Feb 3, 2012 | 05:40 PM
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Old Feb 3, 2012 | 09:18 PM
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innovative mounts are good. i like mine in my da

hatch is on point, as always
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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thanks bro, more pics of your da
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 08:35 PM
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first em1 had for 2 years

shell (not this one but looked just like it when i got it)



after (first year)



and after (second year)



and now sold thanks to ht
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 08:43 PM
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second itr

shell (not this one but looked just like it when i got it)




after





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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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not to ruin this thread but i need some people to send me pictures of their honda/acura (doesnt matter what kind).. im makeing a honda-tech video (vtec productions).. if u dont want to then thats fine! email me your photo: dominic_rench_2010@hotmail.com

thanks!
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 09:06 PM
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so i jus found this thread and the time is jus right cuz i jus bought a 94 ej1 ex BONE STOCK mint condition. i only paid 1000 yea lucky me, i will post sum pics soon as i take them. bangin the single VTEC sounds strong and runs GREAT. only thing is, its a AUTOMATIC..... lame yes i kno. so the first order of business is gunna b the tranny swap. havent done one on this car so if anyone has any advice or tricks to make it a lil easyer on me feel free 2 chime in. im soooooooo pumped bout the car been a lil on the down side ever since losing my 91 ef si so much work went into it and i fell victum 2 sum haters. any way any of u ej owners wanna shoot me sum advice get at me. will have pics up soon cant wait 2 show of the deal i got lol p.s lookin 4 sum ls webs im in the 206
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by zach53
so i jus found this thread and the time is jus right cuz i jus bought a 94 ej1 ex BONE STOCK mint condition. i only paid 1000 yea lucky me, i will post sum pics soon as i take them. bangin the single VTEC sounds strong and runs GREAT. only thing is, its a AUTOMATIC..... lame yes i kno. so the first order of business is gunna b the tranny swap. havent done one on this car so if anyone has any advice or tricks to make it a lil easyer on me feel free 2 chime in. im soooooooo pumped bout the car been a lil on the down side ever since losing my 91 ef si so much work went into it and i fell victum 2 sum haters. any way any of u ej owners wanna shoot me sum advice get at me. will have pics up soon cant wait 2 show of the deal i got lol p.s lookin 4 sum ls webs im in the 206
Welcome. the five speed swap is simple. The biggest pain is hanging the brake pedals. My ej1 went from auto to 5speed to a 6 speed. Ej1s' are fun.
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Old Feb 8, 2012 | 10:11 PM
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Been gone for a while, I apologize but nothing new with the car. Had it for sale but decided to keep it. Got new hid and a Mugen rep front lip.



Also pickup a new car for the family.


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Old Feb 12, 2012 | 03:01 PM
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here goes nothing....



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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 07:47 AM
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What's up BNB? Dang it's been dead for a couple of days.... I hope everyone is doing good.
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 08:32 AM
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it's def been dead in here. i've been busy doing an engine replacement in da for some extra cash. this thing is a freakin rats nest. the wiring throughout the car is a fire just waiting to happen. i can't wait to wrap this thing up and get it out of here!

on top of that, while driving friday night, my car randomly got a short in the wiring and i lost my heat/climate control. had to spend 4-5 hours on saturday fixing it. had to completely pull my dash out, replace the harness that goes from the middle of the dash to the heater boxes/blower motor, dig out n replace about a foot of a wire on the drivers side behind the fuse box that melted, replaced the blower motor for an oem motor (had been previously replaced with a non-oem replacement and wired in with butt connectors instead of the factory plug), and while my dash was out, i fixed my radio wiring as well. someone previously decided to cut the factory plug out and hard-wire a cd player in. so i soldered a factory plug back in. everything works again now thank goodness!

so yeah.... what's up with everyone else?
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 09:49 AM
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I haven't done anything to my car .....yet. prepped my wheels with primer waiting to paint them flat black when weather is better. Suspension is needed for my car (leaning towards F&F typeII) as I learn more about my new project car I get the impression that previous owner may have had a turbo at one point on car... exhaust system has 3 inch piping which is too much right now for my car without a turbo may change to 2 1/2 inch piping. I will eventually get with guys at Rage Performance(Whitfield Racing) to get a good tune once I have replaced some parts. (replace smashed DC 4-1 for Tri Y 4-2-1 headers...replace snail mani for Performance X manifold)
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 07:39 PM
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damn thats nice.. you got to appreciate when someone builds something from scratch.
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Old Feb 23, 2012 | 11:21 AM
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here's a quick update on my build...

all torn down n ready to leave



loaded up n headed to the machine shop



while at the machine shop, it will have the following done...

mill the deck (just keeping it simple and making it level, no custom milling for compression)
bore to 75.5mm
chase the head stud holes
hot tank the block
check and polish crank
file fit rings

already pre-paid for 90% of the bill and will hopefully have it back within the next 2 weeks.

also, decided what bearings i'm using and am going to order them tomorrow after i deposit some money into my bank account. then i'll see how much i have left and what else i can purchase a while. hopefully i can keep things rolling now!
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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 04:23 PM
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when i first got my car the only thing good was the jdm front end

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fresh paint job "java black"

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building the engine i did almost all the work on it port and polish and everything!



i bough all the type r interrior, real jdm head lights, and much more!!!!
finally finish the project

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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 04:27 PM
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CLEAN AF bro!
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