CRXherbie91

B16A Block:
-Stock Sleeves
-81.5 CP Pistons 9:1
-Eagle Rods
-All OEM pumps, gaskets, micropolish,decked, honed,bored etc..


Head:
-GSR Head
-CTR Cams
-Aftermarket Valvetrain
-Cam Gears
-Victor X
-POWER 68mm TB
-880cc Injectors w/ Golden eagle fuel rail


Turbo:
Peakboost Turbo Setup with Tial 44mm Wastegate,
Tial BOV
3in downpipe to a thermal 3in exhaust
PWR intercooler 600whp supportable

got other turbo mods like boost gauge, turbosmart boost controller, suspension **** that dont matter etc...

id like to make as much power as possible on stock sleeves.. on pump, and i will also do a race gas tune but im focusing more on this pump gas.. i was looking into the gt30, turbonetics hpc wheel, or something, this is my first turbo build.. lead me in the right direction, i believe in you guys

wantboost

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As much power as possible doesn't mean ****... pick a number because one turbo might male 400 but not 500, etc.

TypeRfit

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Telling someone you want to make XXX amount of power doesn't mean anything, is this a straight line car? Are you going to do track days? Just street driven? How you are going to drive the car weights more on power goals initially.

CRXherbie91

yes straight mile/ 1/4 mile.. b16 trans... yes going to track days, yes will be street driven as well.. .. idk how much the stock sleeves can handle safely on 93 octane.. i heard around 500 give or take, if i can make that without blowing up.. i jus want to make what my set up can handle ya know.. im not going to say oh i want to make 700whp wen in reality i cant handle it ya feel me? .. im not trying to be the fastest in my area, but there are alot of b20vtec's all motor in the 240-260whp range hitting low 12's.. id like to hit 11's or even high 10's but again this is my first turbo build..

justYncredible

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you still didnt say how much hp you would like to make. each setup is different, i have a similar setup your mentioning and it can handle a wide range of hp, just depends on what you want

CRXherbie91

i would like to make in the 500's but im not sure if stock sleeves on pump 93 will handle it.. its been a few years since i been messing with honda's i been locked so im rusty up an now i wanna put it together, and all i need is my turbo, someone stole mine when i was in jail.. im willing to push it to the limit but i dont want it blow out a sleeve ya know? .. i understand each setup is different etc.. im trying to definitly hit 11's or high 10's with a 2.0 or better 60 foot time.. i kno

SPOOLINmatt

a small one

TypeRfit

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Making a 1/4 mile car as well as a track day car will be hard to do. You may have the right turbo for 1/4, but might have too much lag for track days.

OneBadTurboCRV

Reliable whp would be pushing the sleeves at 450. Your powerband/rev limit would truly change which turbo you should specificly go for. A GT30xxR would probably be your best bet. Since one would assume you are broke (unless you smuggled a lot of cigarettes in jail *wink wink*), a great Journal bearing turbo with more potential would be "The Shodan"s Silver Surfer that flows around 61 lbs. per min.

PS - This isn't "My Space Book" or whatever you kids are into these days, nobody gives a crap about your life problems.

OneBadTurboCRV

Then you have no clue how to set up a car.

TypeRfit

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I've set up a few, from everything I have seen, when people do the "how much power will my motor hold up" threads that's what they are interested in, making power. Personally to me, I would give up a little bit in size/flow of the turbo and some horsepower for quicker more gradual spool. Everyone sets up their car differently to tailor to their driving techniques.

justYncredible

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500whp doesn't mean you have a fast car, that's just my take

DDTECH

why such low compression.. You guys need to start throwing that **** out the window.

the motor/turbo setup would be much more efficent at a higher compression ratio, 10.5 , 10.1 would be more then ideal.

wantboost

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I love you sir (no homo)

You won't make 500whp on 93 without methanol/water injection or nitrous or some other octane booster. Low 400s is about it

CRXherbie91

yea, i wasnt 100% sure what stock sleeves would hold on 93 thats why i was asking.. i do plan on doing a fuel cell for race gas/race gas tune, im just still debating on the turbo, i had the gt3076r in mind, my tuner recommended it, this is my first boost build thats why im asking a few questions to the ppl who have more epierenence.. to those of you who have put in true info thank you.. an if i worded my questions wrong i apoligize.. im jus trying to have a good street/track 1/4 mile car that can will last ya know? .. but if it blows or cracks a sleeve then it does so be it, time to make it better... anything over 400 is great for me.. im jus wantin to compete with some ppl around here thats all.. alot of my boys got some nice b20vtec's runnin low 12's

CRXherbie91

i also agree there, i kinda wish i went with 10:1.. with my gsr head on the b16, im ASSUMING (dont jump all over me if im wrong) but im thinking 9.3:1 .. with that head on, i doubt the .5 bore or deck/resurface matters, so im assuming 9.3:1.. but it is what it is like i said, im jus trying to have something decent for now until i can sleeve a bigger block an port/polish

TheShodan

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Well, at least you're over 9.0:1. The GT3076R is a fine turbo, but you need a good amount of pressure to get it to distinguish itself from other turbos. You're trying to get an "all around" turbo to do the world, but it doesn't completely exist. You have to choose the best two characteristics and go from there. If your needs change, it may be as simple as increasing the pressure or as complicated as changing to a new turbo. No one can predict 1/4 mile times based upon turbo alone; that's where trap speeds come in. But there are some alternatives as N3V3R stated

wantboost

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Why are people so determined to run as little boost as possible? Most Garrett gt series don't get to the "good" part of the map until at least 14-15psi, most run pressures around 20-25 depending on turbo size, setup, power goals etc

TheShodan

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Absolutely. If I hear another person on some stock B-series say "I want as little boost as possible on my GT35R" I'm going to kick in the ding-ding for good measure. These types of turbochargers were made to run pressure. Period. If you you're "afraid of the motor" going, then perhaps one of two things is happening. 1) The engine isn't ready for any boost much less low boost, or 2) you don't have a budget at all and you think low amounts of boost (3-8psi) is going to keep the engine "reliable". A fool's dream at best.

wantboost

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Yup

What people realize is more boost just equals higher cylinder pressures.... high cylinder pressures don't break anything (at least not on the typical stock sleeve Honda build) it's the sudden spike in cylinder pressure aka detonation aka Pre ignition that breaks things.

It all comes down to fuel quality and how good your tune is.

phaphon

what chassis are you using ? weight plays a good part in reaching your quarter mile et goal. and by track you mean the 1/4 mile track ? or a circuit track?

CRXherbie91

its going in a crx, i understand alot of what you guys are saying, im just torn between which turbo to go with, thats all, im jus lookin for something that will be matched good with my set-up, what power i make is what i make, what i run is what i run, it is what it is, its a simple build, nothing serious.. im not asking what it will run or what i will make, i jus know what id be happy with thats all.. i know the b16 is a small motor, and like mentioned the compression is a little on the low side, so i was just curious what you guysthat have been doingthis a whilewould choose.. thx for thehelp and sorry if i confused..

wantboost

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How responsive do you want it to be? A GT3071 won't get you to 500 but it will get youto the mid 400/s maybe and if you got the t25 based turbine housing you'd have a very responsive torque monster (for a b16)

A GT30R only flows 52-53 pounds per minute at its limit, it ,might get you to 500 but that's all the turbo will do and you'd be pushing the turbo almost all the way to the choke line

A GTX3071 will get you to 500 with a little room to grow but not much, maybe 525-530ish however, a GTX3076 would get you to 500 with room for 600-615

That is of course assuming you want an off the shelf turbo..... I would steer clear from any precision turbo for your build, the larger turbos (6262, etc) have had issues with compressor wheel/shaft flex leading to failure, as well as random bearing failures that precision always seems to find a way out of...

Now Mac (TheShodan) can custom build you almost anything you want and it would be 100% custom and fit your needs more than perfectly, he's built turbos for me in the past and he's my go to guy for turbos, turbo advice, setup/tuning advice. Etc.,, he won't steer you wrong.

Schister66

I needed to quote you in order to reiterate the points made above. Hell, I should almost sticky this...



Me too and he gets

phaphon

tens on a crx . I would think all you need is about 450 whp . I've seen my brother in law run 12.4 with a bone stock b 16 turbo . he only made 250 whp.that's in his eke hatch with 23 inch slices