t04ecvc

Basic setup:

B16A2 Block
Sleeved and bored to 84.5mm
Wiseco Pistons, Eagle rods
GE Headgasket ( Stock one bored out)
GSR head built
Turbo kit etc..

Ok the problem

Bolted everything together and started it up. Water literally gushing out of the exhaust! Shut it down. Pull it apart and I don't see anything wrong with anything. So I bought new ARP headstuds, and had the head rechecked. Everthing ok ecept for a intake manifold stud was stripped. Fixed that and bolted everything back together with the same headgasket as before.
Water is still getting to the cylinder. Its not gushing out the tailpipe, but there is water on the plugs and its steaming out the exhaust. I am stumped other than maybe the headgasket was bad when I got it or maybe there is a crack in the water jacket. There are no cracks in the sleeves that we can see and there are no visible cracks anywhere else.

The block has a welded in Race engineering block saver and was decked afterward. Do you guys think this may the problem area. The block was sold to me this way, so I have no idea what was done previously. One of the sleeves was cracked previosly so we replaced it. I think that is just bout all the info I have. Please help if you got any ideas.


Modified by t04ecvc at 9:59 PM 11/24/2003

99B16Si

sounds like a bad deck or headgasket. is there water in every cylinder???. make sure youre using b16 headstuds and not gsr studs. thats all i can think of

t04ecvc

yes water in every cylinder. What is the difference between the gsr studs and b16's?

99B16Si

gsr's are longer for the extra deck height compared to a b16. if your block has been decked and your head has been milled its possible that the nut could bottom out on the treads. youre using the washers for the headstuds right?

99B16Si

thats if youre using the gsr studs not b16. what are u torqueing the studs to? and are you doing it in the 2 stage sequesnce?

t04ecvc

Yes I am 2 staging them. I torqued them down to 70. 30 first and then 70. I am not sure if they are the gsr studs or not, but if they were too long, could I just use more washers? I have a set of washers left over from the other set of studs I used.
Thanks for the help

99B16Si

take a stud out and measure the length. and then look up in the internet how long arps for a b16 are and compare. i dont know about double washering it tho. ive never tried that or heard of anyone that has

t04ecvc

I can't find the stud length for the b16 studs. i am going to call them tomorrow. Anyone else have any ideas what could be wrong and why water is in all 4 cylinders?

Jared

why do you have a welded in "block saver" if you have a sleeved block?

t04ecvc

Its like the golden eagle basic setup and a block saver was put in later, both before I got the block.

t04ecvc

Talked to the guys at ARP and the head studs are only 150 thousanths different. I think it is the headgasket. Someone said that it might be the sleeves, but there aren't any cracks in them. Anyone have any ideas? I am racking my brain and can't come up with anything. Spent way too much time and money to come this far and this crap happen. Help please (begging voice)

t04ecvc

bump

99B16Si

bad deck or warped head is all i can think of then

t04ecvc

Anyone ever had a sleeve leaking problem? I don't see how it could be the sleeves leaking, but I have had a few people suggest it.

shortyz

what kinda sleeves?

try some bars leak see if that helps..

could the sleeves have dropped..
as to why u would want a blocksaver and sleeves..

t04ecvc

Yeah, I was thinking of that, but I don't think that the sleeves are leaking from the bottom. I dunno how they would leak at the top, but I guess its possible.

If I don't figure it out soon, I am going to just pull it out and get another block done. I bought the pistons and rods and the block was given to me. I wondered about the block, but when it was checked they said it'd be fine. Live and learn I guess, thanks for the help.

falcongsr

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othick

You should pull the head and make sure it's not warped. You should check the block to make sure it has an even and smooth surface. If you are getting water in every cylinder it seems the only thing it could be is the head is not sealing to the block. Make sure you take your parts to a reputable machine shop, you want your surfaces to be as smooth as possible, especially if your running boost. It's possible the people who put your block together didn't know what they were doing.

t04ecvc

Thanks, I am going to bring it to a reputable guy that is going to mill it for me to make absolutely sure. Hopefully I can have something done by Monday

I have a strong feeling its the head, the coolant system is getting pressurized. So either that or the headgasket are my focus.

If a sleeve was leaking at the bottom, it wouldn't get pressurized. Can anyone confirm this?


Modified by t04ecvc at 7:21 PM 11/27/2003

Garrette99

If the sleeves were leeking at the bottom of the cylinder more than likely it would fill up the oil pan w/water, try some plasti-guage on the deck around the questionable ereas and torque the head down w/o the head gasket , and see if your getting an even spread w/ the plasti-guage. loosen the valve train up so all the valves are closed first. hope this helps some.........

p0gi

did you check to make sure you didnt accidently hook up a coolant line thinking its a vacuum line? I had a friend that did that once?

t04ecvc

Well the water has created more problems with the bottom end, which is what i was affraid might happen.

All of the lines were correct.

Thanks, I will post when I have the solution.

Anyone selling a B16 block?? Pm me