Ok, so I got my hands on a dsm SMIC and since I can tig weld, I was wondering how hard it would be to make yourself a water to air intercooler. I was thinking along the lines of encloseing the dsm intercooler in an aluminum case and running water through it. Would this be effective? Would it be better to have the water running through the fins, and the air passed over the outside of them?? Thanks alot for any infomation.


Sean

 

Bump...... with all this technical know how, nobody has any info ?????


Thats kinda hard to belive

Sean

 

Keep the air flowing through the same passage it does now, and enclose where the ambient air would normally pass through the core with your box for water. I would not do it based on a DSM core though, they're pretty small and inefficient and more effort than it's worth.

 

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Agreed. I'd look into a used Syclone or Typhoon air/water intercooler and go from there. It won't be as cool as homemade, but I can vouch for the functionality .

 

Air/Water on the street is not as effective unless you have the water chilled by <FONT COLOR="blue"> ice </FONT> . Unless your using ac refrigerant chilled water.

 

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Air/Water coolers can be almost as effective if you use a large enough heat exchanger and water resevoir, though. The kits you see not working so great are like vortech's kits where they give you a heat exchanger that is like 4 inches by 9 inches, don't put a fan on the heat exchanger, run a small water resevoir, and run a small water pump.

 

I have a friend that has one, and his dad has one in his car as well, he runs low to high 11's btw, they swear by it even in traffic, I have a smallish one, and will problably sell it, but I picked up a huge Zakspeed cooler and will be modding it to become a water cooler and have it inside the car since it's too big to fit in the engine bay.

 

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Air/Water coolers can be almost as effective if you use a large enough heat exchanger and water resevoir, though. The kits you see not working so great are like vortech's kits where they give you a heat exchanger that is like 4 inches by 9 inches, don't put a fan on the heat exchanger, run a small water resevoir, and run a small water pump.</TD></TR></TABLE>


wow your such a genius Nothing beats refrigerant cooled water http://www.coolflow.com

 

I built a water to air intercooler. I used a air to air off a small Mitsubishi truck. It is probably way to large but I got the cooler cheap & the welding was free so I hope it works. I had to reverse the air flow to make it work though. The boosted air now goes thru the fins & the water go thru the tubes. I am currently having ecm difficulties with an old accel dfi so I don't know if the intercooler is going to work properly.

 

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wow your such a genius Nothing beats refrigerant cooled water http://www.coolflow.com</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow you're such a genius, that's nothing at all what I'm talking about



See the tiny, oil-cooler sized heat exchanger with no fan? That's the woefully inadequate thing that Vortech uses on their kits.



See that huge, half size radiator with a big fan? That's the goodly sized unit PWR uses on their intercooler kits. A heat exchanger like that is more than enough for a street car, that cool flow **** just makes an already complicated system even more complicated, with something totally unproven and that really isn't necisary.

 

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I personally don't think that would work well. You might experience a massive pressure drop. Let us know how it runs out though!

 

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A heat exchanger like that is more than enough for a street car, that cool flow **** just makes an already complicated system even more complicated, with something totally unproven and that really isn't necisary.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have no idea how it works ***, COOL FLOW NOT PROVEN LISTEN BUDDY ?!?! you think the **** you just posted will cool water better than AC refrigerant GO learn something new, gas is slower at exchanging heat but using an already cold gas (R-134a) instead of FREAKING AMBIENT AIR. Don't make me break out the refrigerant water chiller picture.

 

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You have no idea how it works ***, COOL FLOW NOT PROVEN LISTEN BUDDY ?!?! you think the **** you just posted will cool water better than AC refrigerant GO learn something new, gas is slower at exchanging heat but using an already cold gas (R-134a) instead of FREAKING AMBIENT AIR. Don't make me break out the refrigerant water chiller picture. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ugh. Ever seen a car running a cool flow kit? No. Ever seen one of hundreds of 03/04 Cobras and lightnings running around with bigger heat exchangers and water resevoirs seeing charge temps near ambient? I know I have, lots of times. 2500+ dollars for something that is totally unnecisary is a waste of god damn money. If you're on the street a big heat exchanger and water resevoir will keep the water cold enough to hold IAT's near ambient provided you arn't WOT for 15 minutes at a time. At the race track dump in ice water and get performance better than having to run and heat up your car just so you can get that AC compressor going to cool off your intercooler coolant.

Go learn something new, I have and drive a car with an air-to-water intercooler, and magically the heat exchanger and plain old distilled water seem to work just fine for me. You know what they say, there's a sucker born every minute, so if you think the gains are great enough from that awesome supercooler, be my guest, spend 2500 bucks on it. ****, Ford was thinking of using technology similar to this, but even they realized it would be stupid to totally rely on the AC compressor, and would only use it as a secondary cooling method.

 

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Ugh. Ever seen a car running a cool flow kit?
Go learn something new, I have and drive a car with an air-to-water intercooler, and magically the heat exchanger and plain old distilled water seem to work just fine for me. You know what they say, there's a sucker born every minute, so if you think the gains are great enough from that awesome supercooler, be my guest, spend 2500 bucks on it. ****, Ford was thinking of using technology similar to this, but even they realized it would be stupid to totally rely on the AC compressor, and would only use it as a secondary cooling method.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Car's that run john nobles kits? Ok you see the ford taurus on his site thats one second go to grand national forums plenty there.

Ok first off 2500 bucks? May be when your dumbass calls John Noble @ cool flow and find out all you need your oem Honda AC compressor and resevoir for water and an electrical pump, with this $300 refrigerant/water heat exchanger


When your regular water/air brings water temp to 50 degrees and gives you 45-50 HP boost then you can talk.


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Really where did the basically say it was totally stupid? Stupid enough to patent?
You won't see it in any car such a system for a lighting is pricey dumbass

Flamebait is teh king!


Modified by MidShipCivic at 2:41 PM 10/23/2004


Modified by MidShipCivic at 2:41 PM 10/23/2004

 

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I personally don't think that would work well. You might experience a massive pressure drop. Let us know how it runs out though!</TD></TR></TABLE>

What atcrx described is exactly what Spearco does. They run the water where usually your charge would pass through on an air to air. This provides less of a pressure drop. Of course this is refering to Spearco cores and not an OEM Mitsubishi core (Calsonic?).

 

yeah i agree with running the water through where your charge air usually goes.

way more surface area on the fins. just like how a heater works on a car.

 

Instead of all that touble why not just run a alcohol/water injection setup? Greatly reduces charge temps AND raises octane.