4cylinders-of-fury

which turbo is good for ls vtec w/ c1 head and 9.0:1 compression. stock sized valves and stock ports. i dont want alot of lag and i plan on running about 20 psi on pump gas (93 octane) any input would be great
ps im hoping for 4-5 hundred hp. if needed would use race gas

patrick4588

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every turbo flows a different amount of cfms. one turbo at 20 psi is completely different differnent than another at 20psi. there is no reason you should say you want to run 20 psi. look into the gt3076r.

TheShodan

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Or look into "Silver Surfer". Custom 60-1, that spools very quick for almost $400 less than the 3076R.

4cylinders-of-fury

thanks for the input. keep them coming

Schister66

I'll second the Silver Surfer. If that's not enough turbo for you, check out the Borg Warner S258. It's on par with the GT3076r but since its non-ballbearing, you dont have to run water lines or worry about rebuild-ability if something was to happen. With any luck, it will be my next turbo...

TheShodan

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Pm sent to you in regards to the "silver surfer".

patrick4588

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havent seen you in a while shodan, you still been on and i just been missing you? or been out for a while?

4cylinders-of-fury

do you have any flow charts or dyno charts with this turbo on a ls vtec or b18c1 engine

Sr420Det

Can someone post a link where I can look at this "silver surfer". Im looking for a turbo to support around 4-500 on pump gas. sorry for halfway hijacking your thread. Any info would be appreciated.

patrick4588

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pm the shodan

Schister66

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by patrick4588 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pm the shodan</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pm sent to you in regards to the "silver surfer". </TD></TR></TABLE>

He's 2 steps ahead

4cylinders-of-fury

i have a qusetion for Schister66. why gsr why not ls vtec. cause i used to be all about the ls engine cause i loved the low end power i had a ls turbo integra but the ls is limited to power because of the head and then i recently bought a 97 gsr integra and the top end is amazing so im thinking why not ls vtec

TheShodan

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^^^ Because it depends upon the use of the car itself. LS/VTEC turbos are good, but I've noticed that most setups use the GE LS/VTEC kit. Its nice, but it very oil dependant. I don't see why one doesn't just get the LS crank, Eagle Rods (for LS) and use the stock GS-R head. They've got the best of both worlds.

For those interested in the silver surfer, you've been PM'd.

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4cylinders-of-fury &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you have any flow charts or dyno charts with this turbo on a ls vtec or b18c1 engine</TD></TR></TABLE>

"flow" charts? please be more specific. That is an extremely broad term.

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by patrick4588 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">havent seen you in a while shodan, you still been on and i just been missing you? or been out for a while?</TD></TR></TABLE>

was in the U.K. for a bit, but I'm back now for at least a month or so, then I'm off again to U.K, and Spain for the rally project that we're working on.

Schister66

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4cylinders-of-fury &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a qusetion for Schister66. why gsr why not ls vtec. cause i used to be all about the ls engine cause i loved the low end power i had a ls turbo integra but the ls is limited to power because of the head and then i recently bought a 97 gsr integra and the top end is amazing so im thinking why not ls vtec
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Like The Shodan said, the LS crank and LS rods in a GSR block would be my choice. An LS/VTEC is by no means a bad choice for those who already have an LS block. Personally, i would rather keep things easy and go w/ the combo listed above.

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was in the U.K. for a bit, but I'm back now for at least a month or so, then I'm off again to U.K, and Spain for the rally project that we're working on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i can fit in a suitcase if you want some company...

4cylinders-of-fury

flow chart for the compressor side of the turbo not sure if this is the right term mass flow chart

TheShodan

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Are you referring to the compressor map of the 60-1? That is available, and I'll PM that to you. I may have some Cubic Feet/Min overlays for the Silver Surfer 60-1 specifically for you. They have been PMd to you.

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sr420Det &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can someone post a link where I can look at this "silver surfer". Im looking for a turbo to support around 4-500 on pump gas. sorry for halfway hijacking your thread. Any info would be appreciated.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There's a big difference b/w 400whp on pump gas, and 500whp on pump gas. If 500whp on pump gas (91-93 Octane) then you need a much larger turbocharger than the Silver Surfer. Either an S366 w/ .70A/R T3 or even T04Z. You'd be pushing over 20psi, so hopefully your fuel will be on par. "Pump Gas" nowadays is a loaded term. You need to specify octane ratings.. 91-93? E85? what fuels are available to you?


Modified by TheShodan at 7:18 AM 12/20/2007

4cylinders-of-fury

well im on the east coast (maryland) and are fuel is 10% ethanol. i would like to make high 3 hundreds low 4 hundreds on some where round 15psi + or - 1-2 psi. and high 400 hundreds on 25 psi and i would like to make 15 psi around 4000 rpm
the sliver surfer is in my top three that im looking at. you say your leaving to europe in a month how can i get a hold of you if i do decide on the sliver surfer

Schister66

One question for the OP: Why does it matter what PSI it hits and when. Wouldnt you be more concerned with the power created rather than the PSI...since that measurement is basically irrelevant?

Set a power goal....have a general idea of what you want for a powerband and go from there...

patrick4588

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One question for the OP: Why does it matter what PSI it hits and when. Wouldnt you be more concerned with the power created rather than the PSI...since that measurement is basically irrelevant?

Set a power goal....have a general idea of what you want for a powerband and go from there...</TD></TR></TABLE>

noobs are only concerned with psi. i remember when i first boosted my car and was running 9psi on a 60 trim, a guy thought he could beat me in his stock gs-t cuz he was running 18 psi. apparently he was making twice as much boost!! lol.

Schister66

^^lol...boost doesn't mean ****, but when people grow up playing games like Need For Speed Underground, where you build a Stage 4 turbo kit (which is also bs) that only raises the boost...that gives people the wrong idea about turbo setups.

patrick4588

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yeah. it was pretty funny when i absolutely walked him. what do you mean nfs isnt real? oh man. i was really lookin forward to hittin a wall at 160 and not having any damage. damn. oh well, guess ill just get a stage 3 turbo kit and run 15psi

TheShodan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4cylinders-of-fury &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well im on the east coast (maryland) and are fuel is 10% ethanol. i would like to make high 3 hundreds low 4 hundreds on some where round 15psi + or - 1-2 psi. and high 400 hundreds on 25 psi and i would like to make 15 psi around 4000 rpm
the sliver surfer is in my top three that im looking at. you say your leaving to europe in a month how can i get a hold of you if i do decide on the sliver surfer</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't worry, I'm not the only one around.. Pete leaves first, I don't leave for a while. I still transfer orders to people looking after the shop.

Let me know whenever you're ready.