t3/t67ho or t3/gt40 + nitrous for about 650 whp?
06-22-2006, 05:16 AM
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t3/t67ho or t3/gt40 + nitrous for about 650 whp?
well this isnt a honda, and its not a vw like my username implies, its a dodge srt4.
as of now the bottom end is built, je 8:1 pistons and eagle rods. the head has full valvetrain, oversized valves, cams, and port work. i'm running on an t3/gt40, at 29 psi the car made 552 whp on an emanage with the stock rev limit of 6200 rpm. i'm had an aem ems sitting in my room waiting for the t3/t67ho i ordered to come in, but its been 2 months and i still havent gotten it so i'm thinking about cancelling the order and just adding nitrous to the car.
what i'm looking for out of the car is ~650whp, i'm sure i can do that on the t3t67ho on boost alone, but i'm sure the gt40 is going to max out at ~600whp, so i was thinking of supplementing it with a little nitrous to get it to around 650 or 675 whp.
i like the power band of the t3/gt40 better than the t3/t67, i get full boost at about 3800-4000 rpm where as the t3t67 will be around 5000, with the ems i'll be revving the motor to about 7300 rpm, so the powerband will be much wider on the t3gt40.
if you had to choose, will you go with the t3t67 and make more on boost alone, or the t3gt40 and have a better powerband but have to use nitrous to make the power? filling the bottle isnt a problem, as this will only be used at the track so i dont care if i dont always have the power.
sorry for rambling, i have a hard time keeping things short lol
as of now the bottom end is built, je 8:1 pistons and eagle rods. the head has full valvetrain, oversized valves, cams, and port work. i'm running on an t3/gt40, at 29 psi the car made 552 whp on an emanage with the stock rev limit of 6200 rpm. i'm had an aem ems sitting in my room waiting for the t3/t67ho i ordered to come in, but its been 2 months and i still havent gotten it so i'm thinking about cancelling the order and just adding nitrous to the car.
what i'm looking for out of the car is ~650whp, i'm sure i can do that on the t3t67ho on boost alone, but i'm sure the gt40 is going to max out at ~600whp, so i was thinking of supplementing it with a little nitrous to get it to around 650 or 675 whp.
i like the power band of the t3/gt40 better than the t3/t67, i get full boost at about 3800-4000 rpm where as the t3t67 will be around 5000, with the ems i'll be revving the motor to about 7300 rpm, so the powerband will be much wider on the t3gt40.
if you had to choose, will you go with the t3t67 and make more on boost alone, or the t3gt40 and have a better powerband but have to use nitrous to make the power? filling the bottle isnt a problem, as this will only be used at the track so i dont care if i dont always have the power.
sorry for rambling, i have a hard time keeping things short lol
06-22-2006, 05:20 AM
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Re: t3/t67ho or t3/gt40 + nitrous for about 650 whp? (Fst Blk GTi)
If the t3-t67 h.o turbo spools at 5k and rev limit is at 6200.
still if you raise your rev limit to 7200 you`ll have a narrow powerband compared to the t3/gt40 you allready have.
Id say t3 gt40 and nitrus if you need more than 500whp
still if you raise your rev limit to 7200 you`ll have a narrow powerband compared to the t3/gt40 you allready have.
Id say t3 gt40 and nitrus if you need more than 500whp
06-22-2006, 05:51 AM
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Just up the rev limit a little more.
You upgraded thge valvetrain, so you should hae stiffer valve springs compared to stock so you should be abel to rev it higher then the stock valvetrain..that's why you upgrade the valvetrain..to rev it higher.
You upgraded thge valvetrain, so you should hae stiffer valve springs compared to stock so you should be abel to rev it higher then the stock valvetrain..that's why you upgrade the valvetrain..to rev it higher.
06-22-2006, 06:00 AM
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Re: (Semnos)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Semnos »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just up the rev limit a little more.
You upgraded thge valvetrain, so you should hae stiffer valve springs compared to stock so you should be abel to rev it higher then the stock valvetrain..that's why you upgrade the valvetrain..to rev it higher.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i don't think it's the vt he's worried about. if i remember from our last convo he was more worried about the crank (it's cast) than the VT.
btw... where's the "smoke weed everyday" option to vote for?
You upgraded thge valvetrain, so you should hae stiffer valve springs compared to stock so you should be abel to rev it higher then the stock valvetrain..that's why you upgrade the valvetrain..to rev it higher.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i don't think it's the vt he's worried about. if i remember from our last convo he was more worried about the crank (it's cast) than the VT.
btw... where's the "smoke weed everyday" option to vote for?
06-22-2006, 06:02 AM
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Re: (Semnos)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Semnos »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just up the rev limit a little more.
You upgraded thge valvetrain, so you should hae stiffer valve springs compared to stock so you should be abel to rev it higher then the stock valvetrain..that's why you upgrade the valvetrain..to rev it higher.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i am revving it more, stock is 6200, i'll be at about 7300. dont want to go any higher than that because of the eagle rods, disgustingly long stroke, and horrible r/s ratio.
You upgraded thge valvetrain, so you should hae stiffer valve springs compared to stock so you should be abel to rev it higher then the stock valvetrain..that's why you upgrade the valvetrain..to rev it higher.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i am revving it more, stock is 6200, i'll be at about 7300. dont want to go any higher than that because of the eagle rods, disgustingly long stroke, and horrible r/s ratio.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quicksilver1689 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its more practicle to have a wider more useable powerband
</TD></TR></TABLE> this car has 550hp, it abviously not your average practical street car. if you looking to make this thing go fast at the track. get the t3 67 p-trim. with your displacement/t3 flange. it will still be fun on the street. but a beast at the track
</TD></TR></TABLE> this car has 550hp, it abviously not your average practical street car. if you looking to make this thing go fast at the track. get the t3 67 p-trim. with your displacement/t3 flange. it will still be fun on the street. but a beast at the track
06-22-2006, 01:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtaaakkkk!!! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> this car has 550hp, it abviously not your average practical street car. if you looking to make this thing go fast at the track. get the t3 67 p-trim. with your displacement/t3 flange. it will still be fun on the street. but a beast at the track </TD></TR></TABLE>
it is your average practical street car
i drive it every single day from home to school to work and everywhere else lol.
I'm thinking at the track the 3000+ rpm power band will still be better than the t67 powerband which might be less than 2k rpm.
</TD></TR></TABLE>it is your average practical street car
i drive it every single day from home to school to work and everywhere else lol.I'm thinking at the track the 3000+ rpm power band will still be better than the t67 powerband which might be less than 2k rpm.
06-22-2006, 03:07 PM
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If the "T3/GT40" is a SC61-type turbo (T3 Stage V turbine, 56-trim GT35R compressor) you might want to try upgrading to a full GT35, as it has been proven to do 650 WHP all boost.
06-22-2006, 05:53 PM
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Re: (Fst Blk GTi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fst Blk GTi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i am revving it more, stock is 6200, i'll be at about 7300. dont want to go any higher than that because of the eagle rods, disgustingly long stroke, and horrible r/s ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE>If you gather more info about the motor you will be able to get a better point of where your going to be able to rev it too. and 2nd instead of trying to reach these silly whp goals, what times (E.T's, MPH etc.) are you trying to achieve?
i am revving it more, stock is 6200, i'll be at about 7300. dont want to go any higher than that because of the eagle rods, disgustingly long stroke, and horrible r/s ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE>If you gather more info about the motor you will be able to get a better point of where your going to be able to rev it too. and 2nd instead of trying to reach these silly whp goals, what times (E.T's, MPH etc.) are you trying to achieve?
06-23-2006, 02:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you gather more info about the motor you will be able to get a better point of where your going to be able to rev it too. and 2nd instead of trying to reach these silly whp goals, what times (E.T's, MPH etc.) are you trying to achieve? </TD></TR></TABLE>
the silly whp goes hand in hand with the times i want to achieve. other srt's with high high 500 whp have gone high 10's with low 130 mph traps. i want a low 10 with a high 130 trap.
the silly whp goes hand in hand with the times i want to achieve. other srt's with high high 500 whp have gone high 10's with low 130 mph traps. i want a low 10 with a high 130 trap.
06-23-2006, 07:19 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fst Blk GTi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the silly whp goes hand in hand with the times i want to achieve. other srt's with high high 500 whp have gone high 10's with low 130 mph traps. i want a low 10 with a high 130 trap.</TD></TR></TABLE> you sure? lol ever seen a suppose 600whp+ car do 11's? yyyeeeaa. What i was getting at is that dont get hung up too much on peak whp...that is all. good luck
the silly whp goes hand in hand with the times i want to achieve. other srt's with high high 500 whp have gone high 10's with low 130 mph traps. i want a low 10 with a high 130 trap.</TD></TR></TABLE> you sure? lol ever seen a suppose 600whp+ car do 11's? yyyeeeaa. What i was getting at is that dont get hung up too much on peak whp...that is all. good luck
06-23-2006, 07:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> you sure? lol ever seen a suppose 600whp+ car do 11's? yyyeeeaa. What i was getting at is that dont get hung up too much on peak whp...that is all. good luck </TD></TR></TABLE>
i told him that yesterday but he's hard headed (and big headed )
</TD></TR></TABLE>i told him that yesterday but he's hard headed (and big headed
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06-23-2006, 02:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> you sure? lol ever seen a suppose 600whp+ car do 11's? yyyeeeaa. What i was getting at is that dont get hung up too much on peak whp...that is all. good luck </TD></TR></TABLE>
i know that, but have you ever seen a 500 hp srt4 run low tens? nope. i need the hp to get to my goals. i also need the suspension and driver lol, but all of that will be done too.
</TD></TR></TABLE>i know that, but have you ever seen a 500 hp srt4 run low tens? nope. i need the hp to get to my goals. i also need the suspension and driver lol, but all of that will be done too.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fst Blk GTi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i know that, but have you ever seen a 500 hp srt4 run low tens? nope. i need the hp to get to my goals. i also need the suspension and driver lol, but all of that will be done too.</TD></TR></TABLE>I dont think i need to say much more...o and lets throw in gearing, slick sizing and a properly set boost controller. o and i never seen a srt4 run period so i cant help you there, but why not look at those high 500whp that are running high 10's and trapping 130 ( which imo seems a low trap speed for that much whp, but w.e) study there time slips, and see where it can be improve, or hell look at your timeslips n see where you can improve it. good luck
Ps. if you want to reach that 600whp+, all it takes is the right dyno and calibration to get you those numbers
i know that, but have you ever seen a 500 hp srt4 run low tens? nope. i need the hp to get to my goals. i also need the suspension and driver lol, but all of that will be done too.</TD></TR></TABLE>I dont think i need to say much more...o and lets throw in gearing, slick sizing and a properly set boost controller. o and i never seen a srt4 run period so i cant help you there, but why not look at those high 500whp that are running high 10's and trapping 130 ( which imo seems a low trap speed for that much whp, but w.e) study there time slips, and see where it can be improve, or hell look at your timeslips n see where you can improve it. good luck
Ps. if you want to reach that 600whp+, all it takes is the right dyno and calibration to get you those numbers
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sounds like he is already on the right dyno to get those high numbers... \
What have you trapped thusfar, lets here that much. cars around here have trapped 135-138 with 500-520 WHP.
What have you trapped thusfar, lets here that much. cars around here have trapped 135-138 with 500-520 WHP.
06-23-2006, 11:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Widebody1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like he is already on the right dyno to get those high numbers... \
What have you trapped thusfar, lets here that much. cars around here have trapped 135-138 with 500-520 WHP. </TD></TR></TABLE>
cars around here dont weigh 3250 lbs with driver either lol. i trapped 124 mph at 470 hp.
What have you trapped thusfar, lets here that much. cars around here have trapped 135-138 with 500-520 WHP. </TD></TR></TABLE>
cars around here dont weigh 3250 lbs with driver either lol. i trapped 124 mph at 470 hp.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think i need to say much more...o and lets throw in gearing, slick sizing and a properly set boost controller. o and i never seen a srt4 run period so i cant help you there, but why not look at those high 500whp that are running high 10's and trapping 130 ( which imo seems a low trap speed for that much whp, but w.e) study there time slips, and see where it can be improve, or hell look at your timeslips n see where you can improve it. good luck
Ps. if you want to reach that 600whp+, all it takes is the right dyno and calibration to get you those numbers </TD></TR></TABLE>
the trap speed is pretty much on for the weight of the car, and the stock rev limit ones are into 5th gear already which kills the top end. i'm on a 26x8.5x15 MT et drag. suspension is tein basic coilovers, i'll be ordering traction bars soon but they're out of stock everywhere (thats pretty much all thats offered suspension wise for the car). gearing is stock, and nothing else is offered, at least not off the shelf, the 26 inch slicks are bigger than the stock tires so it helps keep me out of 5th gear, and when i raise the rev limit i should never have to go into 5th gear. not sure on the ratios though.
Ps. if you want to reach that 600whp+, all it takes is the right dyno and calibration to get you those numbers
</TD></TR></TABLE>the trap speed is pretty much on for the weight of the car, and the stock rev limit ones are into 5th gear already which kills the top end. i'm on a 26x8.5x15 MT et drag. suspension is tein basic coilovers, i'll be ordering traction bars soon but they're out of stock everywhere (thats pretty much all thats offered suspension wise for the car). gearing is stock, and nothing else is offered, at least not off the shelf, the 26 inch slicks are bigger than the stock tires so it helps keep me out of 5th gear, and when i raise the rev limit i should never have to go into 5th gear. not sure on the ratios though.
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