T04B S-3 for Type R.
12-18-2002, 07:06 PM
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T04B S-3 for Type R.
If I'm to run T04B S-3/T3 .50 a/r? which turbine wheel should I run? I really need help with this one so I don't find out later I got the wrong setup..
compressor graph can be seen here: http://www.turboneticsinc.com/comp_maps/fig6.html
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 12:07 AM 1/3/2003]
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 12:06 AM 1/4/2003]
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 12:18 AM 1/6/2003]
compressor graph can be seen here: http://www.turboneticsinc.com/comp_maps/fig6.html
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 12:07 AM 1/3/2003]
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 12:06 AM 1/4/2003]
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 12:18 AM 1/6/2003]
12-19-2002, 09:35 AM
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
After more research through comrpession graphs, I decided that T04B S-3 would work best for my setup. but what turbine should I choose? .63 or .48?
graph can be seen here: http://www.turboneticsinc.com/comp_maps/fig6.html
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- HKS SS BOV
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- Electronic Boost Controller (undecided on the brand)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
- Greddy Type 31 Intercooler Kit for LS.
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 11:22 PM 12/18/2002]
graph can be seen here: http://www.turboneticsinc.com/comp_maps/fig6.html
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- HKS SS BOV
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- Electronic Boost Controller (undecided on the brand)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
- Greddy Type 31 Intercooler Kit for LS.
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 11:22 PM 12/18/2002]
2. 370cc injector is okay for 5psi, but I do 440cc or better just in case?
3. 8.5lb flywheel too light? ( I know I'm going to get flack for this) but I'd either stay stock or not dip below 10lbs on a boosted car.
Overall: parts of your setup suggests that you want BIG power (like the T04 and Hondata), but other parts say that you want to stay conservative. I'd plan out out what you exactly want first and buy accordingly. My 2 yen.
12-19-2002, 10:13 AM
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (MiraiZ)
thanks for suggestions.
370cc, hondata and flywheel - i already have on the car.. i spend enough money on that, i'm not switching out, at least until it looks like 440's are necessary after tuning. as well as flywheel, which feels stock by now.
as far as compressor, t04b s3 has airflow of 37 lbs/min, while super 60 has 36 lbs/min, - it seems t04b s3 would be more efficient on higher rpms.
370cc, hondata and flywheel - i already have on the car.. i spend enough money on that, i'm not switching out, at least until it looks like 440's are necessary after tuning. as well as flywheel, which feels stock by now.
as far as compressor, t04b s3 has airflow of 37 lbs/min, while super 60 has 36 lbs/min, - it seems t04b s3 would be more efficient on higher rpms.
After more research through comrpession graphs, I decided that T04B S-3 would work best for my setup. but what turbine should I choose? .63 or .48?
graph can be seen here: http://www.turboneticsinc.com/comp_maps/fig6.html
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- HKS SS BOV
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- Electronic Boost Controller (undecided on the brand)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
- Greddy Type 31 Intercooler Kit for LS.
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 11:22 PM 12/18/2002]
1.If you are only going to do 5psi max, T04 may be too big....you will lag big time. I'd go T3 for faster spool up.
2. 370cc injector is okay for 5psi, but I do 440cc or better just in case?
3. 8.5lb flywheel too light? ( I know I'm going to get flack for this) but I'd either stay stock or not dip below 10lbs on a boosted car.
Overall: parts of your setup suggests that you want BIG power (like the T04 and Hondata), but other parts say that you want to stay conservative. I'd plan out out what you exactly want first and buy accordingly. My 2 yen.
graph can be seen here: http://www.turboneticsinc.com/comp_maps/fig6.html
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- HKS SS BOV
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- Electronic Boost Controller (undecided on the brand)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
- Greddy Type 31 Intercooler Kit for LS.
[Modified by vtec.dc2, 11:22 PM 12/18/2002]
1.If you are only going to do 5psi max, T04 may be too big....you will lag big time. I'd go T3 for faster spool up.
2. 370cc injector is okay for 5psi, but I do 440cc or better just in case?
3. 8.5lb flywheel too light? ( I know I'm going to get flack for this) but I'd either stay stock or not dip below 10lbs on a boosted car.
Overall: parts of your setup suggests that you want BIG power (like the T04 and Hondata), but other parts say that you want to stay conservative. I'd plan out out what you exactly want first and buy accordingly. My 2 yen.
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
you should be okay with the 370cc's, and the flywheel is just a matter of taste...but the T04 maybe too big...yes it flows a lot better but it takes more RPMs to get the compressor to turn. most people tend to opt for smaller rather than larger for lower boosts (hence Greddy turbos)...if you tend to boost higher in the future, then the T04 might be ok....but I would have planned for the future in advanced, otherwise you'll be spending more money for redundant parts.
12-19-2002, 10:26 AM
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (MiraiZ)
you should be okay with the 370cc's, and the flywheel is just a matter of taste...but the T04 maybe too big...yes it flows a lot better but it takes more RPMs to get the compressor to turn. most people tend to opt for smaller rather than larger for lower boosts (hence Greddy turbos)...if you tend to boost higher in the future, then the T04 might be ok....but I would have planned for the future in advanced, otherwise you'll be spending more money for redundant parts.
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
Well, it depends on tuning, and the type of hardware you have (WG, manifold design, and exhaust size)....but on a non-ball bearing T04, it can be as much as 500-1000rpms difference as compared to a t3/t4 and maybe even a bigger difference on t3's. The T3 guys are able to spool at idle and produce positive pressure in neutral, while most t3/t4 guys can't. T04 (I assume) is going to be even tougherto spool on lower rpms.....it'll be an all high-end power setup
anyone else on this?
[Modified by MiraiZ, 4:46 AM 12/20/2002]
anyone else on this?
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12-19-2002, 11:59 AM
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (MiraiZ)
a t3 cant spool off idle...well depending on size..
take a straight t3 that has the same exhaust side as a t3/t4....they will both spool around the same time.
take a straight t3 that has the same exhaust side as a t3/t4....they will both spool around the same time.
12-19-2002, 01:23 PM
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (SiRkid)
a t3 cant spool off idle...well depending on size..
take a straight t3 that has the same exhaust side as a t3/t4....they will both spool around the same time.
take a straight t3 that has the same exhaust side as a t3/t4....they will both spool around the same time.
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
T3/T04B S-3
which turbine should I choose for T3? .63 or .48?
which turbine should I choose for T3? .63 or .48?
I've done all research I could, I really need help with this one so I don't find out later I got the wrong setup..
So far I'm planning to purchase T3/T04B S-3 with .50 a/r? Other turbo choices where T3/T04 V1 V2 and T3 S60..
01-03-2003, 06:35 PM
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
heres a good reference about the fuel supply...
http://www.rceng.com/technical.htm#WORKSHEET
http://www.rceng.com/technical.htm#WORKSHEET
01-03-2003, 07:06 PM
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thanks, i've alreay had calculations done regaring that, with raised fuel pressure, 370's should be able to support the hp increase, if not, i'll just upgrade..
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
I've done all research I could, I really need help with this one so I don't find out later I got the wrong setup..
So far I'm planning to purchase T3/T04B S-3 with .50 a/r? Other turbo choices where T3/T04 V1 V2 and T3 S60..
So far I'm planning to purchase T3/T04B S-3 with .50 a/r? Other turbo choices where T3/T04 V1 V2 and T3 S60..
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
You original choice would be good. Did you people forget he has higher compression? He should spool quite nicely and have great power where the type-R's are good at making power; up top. 
Not to mention with a smaller turbo your efficiency will drop at higher rpms where you don't want it to with high compression. It's not the same as low compression turbo engines. You even tune it differently. I say it will work out nicely. Watch your A/F and EGT's like a hawk till you get it fully tuned then keep a close eye on it.
Not to mention with a smaller turbo your efficiency will drop at higher rpms where you don't want it to with high compression. It's not the same as low compression turbo engines. You even tune it differently. I say it will work out nicely. Watch your A/F and EGT's like a hawk till you get it fully tuned then keep a close eye on it.
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (tzsir)
You original choice would be good. Did you people forget he has higher compression? He should spool quite nicely and have great power where the type-R's are good at making power; up top. Not to mention with a smaller turbo your efficiency will drop at higher rpms where you don't want it to with high compression. It's not the same as low compression turbo engines. You even tune it differently. I say it will work out nicely. Watch your A/F and EGT's like a hawk till you get it fully tuned then keep a close eye on it.
Not to mention with a smaller turbo your efficiency will drop at higher rpms where you don't want it to with high compression. It's not the same as low compression turbo engines. You even tune it differently. I say it will work out nicely. Watch your A/F and EGT's like a hawk till you get it fully tuned then keep a close eye on it.
01-05-2003, 08:20 PM
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (vtec.dc2)
If I'm to run T04B S-3/T3 .50 a/r? which turbine wheel should I run? I really need help with this one so I don't find out later I got the wrong setup..
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
My setup:
- Stock Motor (4.35 - 5psi)
- InlinePro T3 Manifold
- 63.5mm Exhaust
- 370cc Injectors
- Hondata with Boost option
- Tial 35mm Wastegate (4.35psi Spring)
- 8.5 lb Flywheel
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Re: T04B S-3 for Type R. (MiraiZ)
ok, i understand.
i think were on the same page now
most if not all t3/t4's will be spooling at idle.(even a 60-1 im sure)
i think were on the same page now
most if not all t3/t4's will be spooling at idle.(even a 60-1 im sure)
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