i have felt the Tiltons. i might switch over. i felt a tilton 3disc in a Supra on sunday and it was sicly like stock Honda feel .

BTW b18c1hooptie i like your addvertisement for your forum in your sig

 

As far as the people i talked to they do.

yes people advertize their sites that pay to be sponsors. thats one thing , but advertizing another Honda forum . . . i dunno its just funny .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18c1hooptie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the vtex spools the turbo insanely fast and that is what spins the tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>

First of all, what is vtex?

Second of all, VTEC does not spool the turbo. VTEC is a system that switches your cam profiles depending on the conditions, and has nothing to do with turbo spooling. Turbo spool is dependant on exhaust gas energy.

You could spool just as quickly without "VTEX" if you used the right cam profiles with the rest of the parts being the same.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i also have a lot more tourque than my honda's. if i lanch it, i spin from 1st-4th, but if im cruising down the highway with 4 people in the car and a full tank of gas, it will light the tires up usually at 60-70mph.
as far as your turbo goes, a smaller turbo is gonna spool quicker, and spin your tires quicker, but in gears like 4th your not gonna spin so much. but i mean what is small a t25? dont expect to see 350whp on a t25, even with a 16g off a dsm youd be lucky to see 350. and a 16g on a 1.8 or 1.6 liter motor isnt gonna spool at 3000 rpm. i personally like a laggier turbo, granted the tourque of a v8 will always pull me a car, but it allows more hp with a bigger turbo, and the ability to control your wheelspin a little better. it all depends on what you like. with a bigger turbo you sacrifice your low end power, but you gain it back top end, i can rev till almost 10k rpm with crazy boost .</TD></TR></TABLE>

This just makes me want to die. Can someone translate this for me?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18c1hooptie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that is rediculous, firstly no one who puts their websites in their signatures pays honda-tech a sponsorship fee or anything for that matter.

and secondly my site was supposed to be a site for high horsepower honda's i am in no way trying to compete with HT.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wheres your car on the site . i would like to check it out and check the mods on it . thanks.

 

Again do you have a link to info on your car with mods and dynos and such . I wanna check it outh. thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kpt4321 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

First of all, what is vtex?

Second of all, VTEC does not spool the turbo. VTEC is a system that switches your cam profiles depending on the conditions, and has nothing to do with turbo spooling. Turbo spool is dependant on exhaust gas energy.

You could spool just as quickly without "VTEX" if you used the right cam profiles with the rest of the parts being the same.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You and the rest of us arent stupid enough to not realise that "vtex" is a typo. The C and X keys are next to each other, deff. not something worth making a joke out of...
And actually, VTEC DOES assist in the spoolup of a turbo. The large cam profiles on the VTEC lobes obviously have longer duration (and also longer overlap, which is bad) therefore letting more air into the cylinders, and inturn allowing more air to be expelled (the more exhaust gas the better, the flow of the gas is more important than the temperature for spooling, even though they're closley related.

 

300hp is about as much as I would want in my civic. I've never actualy bumped the boost up to 300hp but when it was dyno tuned it was. I keep it at 11 lbs of boost and it's probably putting down 230-250 at most.

Oh that's out of a 1.6 SOHC. You absolutely will need to change the pistons and rods. They won't take the punishment very long at all. I found out the fun way! Blew that original motor up but I knew it would so not a big deal.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18c1hooptie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not really sure if you are stupid or what? but anyways vtex was a typo...and hey mr smart guy, when "vtex" kicks in, does your engine not rev quicker to redline..? yes so therefore it spools the turbo quicker, cause as we all know the higher the engine revs the quicker the exhaust gases move out of the manifold and onto the turbine. and no i dont think you could spool a 62-1 trim turbo as quickly as vtec could, because mr rocket scientist the vtec spools me to FULL BOOST.
not ******* half boost, FULL BOOST. and the second statement makes perfect sense, what part didnt you understand?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know it was a typo, I was kidding about that. You guys are too uptight.

It's not the fact that you have VTEC that makes the turbo spool. When VTEC engages the high rpm cam, it doesn't send a little happy signal to the turbo to tell it that it needs to be cool.

When the VTEC engages the higher rpm cam, you get MORE AIRFLOW which spool the turbo. You are getting more airflow because the cam profile is better, it has nothing to do with VTEC at all.

I'd like you to prove that I couldn't spool a turbo as quickly without VTEC. Think about it. Let's say that instead of having VTEC, you just run the high rpm cam all the time. The turbo would see the same airflow at 5000 rpm, because the cam would be the same as the cam you have when VTEC gets excited.

The point is that VTEC doesn't hrlp you spool. Big cam profiles and airflow help you spool, which does not require VTEC. You could have that same cam profile without any kind of cam switching system, or with VVTLI, MIVEC, or whatever.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kpt4321 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I know it was a typo, I was kidding about that. You guys are too uptight.

It's not the fact that you have VTEC that makes the turbo spool. When VTEC engages the high rpm cam, it doesn't send a little happy signal to the turbo to tell it that it needs to be cool.

When the VTEC engages the higher rpm cam, you get MORE AIRFLOW which spool the turbo. You are getting more airflow because the cam profile is better, it has nothing to do with VTEC at all.

I'd like you to prove that I couldn't spool a turbo as quickly without VTEC. Think about it. Let's say that instead of having VTEC, you just run the high rpm cam all the time. The turbo would see the same airflow at 5000 rpm, because the cam would be the same as the cam you have when VTEC gets excited.

The point is that VTEC doesn't hrlp you spool. Big cam profiles and airflow help you spool, which does not require VTEC. You could have that same cam profile without any kind of cam switching system, or with VVTLI, MIVEC, or whatever.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Umm.... you contradict yourself. First you stated that VTEC doesnt help a turbo spool - then you say that larger cam profiles and increased airflow DO help. That's exactly what VTEC does. It interlinks the three rocker arms so the two valves are open and closed by a LARGER cam lobe that allows longer duration causing more air to come in and leave the cylinder and thus helping the turbo spool.

And I dont know what you mean about "running the big cam" all the time. If you were to do this you'd sacrifice power/torque some place on your powerband (either bottom end HP or top end). The point of VTEC is to enduce more air, by duration, into the motor at the point where the power band running on the low cams begins dying off (around 5500rpms).

 

The point is that spool does not have to do with "VTEC." It simply has to do with running a good cam profile, which you don't need VTEC to do.

The VTEC isn't helping him spool, VTEC is a system that switches cam profiles. Switching cam profiles in itself doesn't help spool.

What helps him spool is the non-suck cam that VTEC switches to.

I agree that running the big cam all the time would suck. That's why VTEC exists. My point was that with the big cam all the time, you would stil spool the same, eithout VTEC being active. However, since that would not be as driveable, you wouldn't want to do that.

VTEC doesn't spool turbos, airflow and proper cam profiles spools turbos. VTEC is just one of many many systems that allows you to run a larger range of profiles.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18c1hooptie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not really sure if you are stupid or what? but anyways vtex was a typo...and hey mr smart guy, when "vtex" kicks in, does your engine not rev quicker to redline..? yes so therefore it spools the turbo quicker, cause as we all know the higher the engine revs the quicker the exhaust gases move out of the manifold and onto the turbine. and no i dont think you could spool a 62-1 trim turbo as quickly as vtec could, because mr rocket scientist the vtec spools me to FULL BOOST.
not ******* half boost, FULL BOOST. and the second statement makes perfect sense, what part didnt you understand?</TD></TR></TABLE>

oyu know what i finally realized who you were Jared. All the sudden your MR Honda builder/tuning GURU now that you Bought Collin's car. I was looking thru your site. good front you got . Kinda makes it look like you had RPM build the car for you rather then you buying it already done and tuned. lol. I just thought that was funny . When did you put down the 600whp that it said on your site? or the 550whp at least.

 

The average turbo begins spooling way before Vtec is in even a factor. In fact most turbo's have already reached full boost prior to Vtec even engaging.

How about we get back on the original subject