Racers going to RS for sleeving:
Almost all the 10 sec All motor Hondas,
Erick's Racing Civic cpe
Ericks Racing Civic h/b
Leslie Durst
Norman Aubry; Ericks Racing
Eddie: ImportPowerhouse, AZ
JJ Callos
Laskey
Bisi Ezerioah
papadakis
sk2
.. and theres more..

 

well i'm waiting for Golden Eagle to reply about sleeves sinking in block.

 

so an opened deck design is just as effective as a closed deck design? I don't want to spend more $$$ on a closed deck design....

 

well i'm waiting for Golden Eagle to reply about sleeves sinking in block

Me to

 

How do you know if you need to sleeve? Is it if you are running a certain amount of boost?

 

I have been under the impression that sleeves become necessary when you are producing more than 300hp. I know there are people making more power on stock blocks, but I think it would be a good idea at 300-350hp. I may be wrong though, because i am really just learning about turbos myself.

 

What if your making under $300, then its not necessary?

 

From what i've learned, stock LS blocks can handle boost as long as you stay under 12psi most of the time. If you plan on staying under that, spend the $900 on engine management.

 

it's not really necessary on a street engine (meaning you can go without it if you tune tune tune--street engine meaning 12 psi or so daily--higher i'd recommend it), although highly recommended if you want to not blow up your engine, but you can't afford it on that kind of paycheck.


[Modified by SlowRedTeg, 5:33 PM 2/7/2003]

 

I do..


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If that's Canadian $s that's not alot. You might not be able to afford the sleeves. J/K

 

Me too.

Never heard one story of sinking sleeves unlike another company. Not worth the gamble to me.

 

correct me if I'm wrong but RS has not pumped out as many blocks as golden eagle!! there are 10 times as many problems with a product if there are 10 times as many made, compared to its competitor.

 

true, but the percent error doesn't change with that situation. example:

Company A sleeves 10,000 blocks in a year. Of those blocks, they have 10 that are "bad".

Company B sleeves 100,000 blocks in a year. Of those blocks, they have 100 that are "bad".

Company B has 10 times more blocks machined, and 10 times more "bad" blocks. But BOTH have a 1% rate of error. raw numbers prove jack ****. percent reflects quality control.

 

exactly

RS doesn't neeed to come on here and declare how many blocks they sleeve a year. So I don't know there numbers. All I know is there turn around is 2 days- 2 weeks max. I have never seen one of there sleves have a problem. Ever.

Of the motors I have built RS has a 0% failure rate. the other company's sleeves sink about 20% of the time (of the motors I have built as stated in the first sentence). Even if repaired (which hasn't happened yet) The owner will still be stuck with the labor costs. Is the gamble worth it?


[Modified by TREVER, 12:21 AM 2/8/2003]


[Modified by TREVER, 5:31 PM 2/10/2003]

 

Ok Trevor then do this. According to golden eagle "We sleeved 972 motors last year ". if you can find not 20% which is nearly 200 people,not 10% which is 100 people, not 5% which is 50 people, but 3% which is 29 people to come in here and post that their GE sleeves sunk. i will give you a free 250.00 gift certificate towards a GE block. oops i meant towards any product we sell. deal?? No i dont work for golden eagle but For you to come up with a figure of 20% your crazy!!! I cant wait to see the people cry when RS has put out nearly 1000 blocks in 1 yr. I'm sure there will not be any more than 2 blocks that have any type of sleeve failure!!!

 

I would have to know all 972 people to satisfy you. Which I don't. So your argument is invalid. I only know what I have seen first hand. I'm not here to make enemies. I am here to help people. I am not affliated with any sleeving company. I have customers who have dumped all of ther cash into a motor to see it sink sleeves and cost more. I am just sharing my exp. If you have had good luck with the sleeves good for you. I have had sucess also, but the risk is no longer worth it to me.

 

On this same arguement, it's it kinda rediculous to claim 20% failure since you don't know all 972 people from last year?

 

i am a post *****

 

exactly. of the 200-ish RS blocks, he says there are at least 2 cases he personally knows of which had a problem (manufacturer error). That's at least a 2% rate of error. Of the nearly 1000 GE blocks, I believe there were, what, like 5 reports on here from individuals who were having a problem with their own block? I'm not counting the "yo my friend's cousin's brother had 8 GE blocks go bad in a month on him yo!" idiots who see a bashing and join in with lies to make the company look bad. However, I'm reasonable enough that there's usually around a 50% "public report" rate, which means that only half those who had problems reported them (roughly). So that means out of nearly 1000 blocks, there were maybe 10 that had a problem. which sure looks like 1% to me.

2% or more, with fewer blocks per year

1%, with decades of experience.

I'm not knocking RS machining in ANY way, believe me.......but I haven't seen as much from them as I have from GE. My own personal preference, my block will be going to vince as soon as it's disassembled (which won't happen until my car's back on the road anyway).

 

Well even if his expeerience doesnt relect every block they make it still does happen and I would want to hear that if I am going out to buy something. Also so far I have enver heard of an RS sleeve sinking, compared to enough GE sleeves to make me question buying from them. But I have also heard that they have fixe the sinking problem and if it does happen I'm pretty sure they would fix the problem anyway.

 

I never said 20% of there blocks fail. show me where I did.

I said 20% of the blocks I built sunk sleeves.

I have built over 10 ge blocks maybe as many as 15. 3 have sunk sleeves. 15/3 20%

Who said RS had 2 failures? I said 0 failures

"yo my friend's cousin's brother had 8 GE blocks go bad in a month on him yo!"
No I told you what I saw.

I'm just giving my opinion based on my experience. Take it how you want. I'm done.

 

okay you obviously didn't get the point of my post. keep thinking about it, eventually it shall come to you. oh and you might want to fix the contradictions in your own post. like


so basically your credibility goes right out the window.......either builder error or you just can't remember which facts you want to spout out to people. either way, i've never seen a substantiated claim against GE that wasn't due to user error or poor building by a third party. to put that in layterms, i've never seen a GE block that was bad from something GE did to it.

 

Makes no sense at all. " I never said 20% of the blocks fail, I said out of the 15 i built 3 failed and thats 20%". Did i miss something??

 

Makes sense to me, 20% of 15= 3.
Trevor has built 15 golden eagle blocks. Out of the 15 blocks trevor has built 3 have droped sleeves. What percentage did the blocks that Trevor buid have sleeves fail?

Kinda sounds like an elementry word problems.